I agree generally with John's points, and think that a Wiki-like
presentation would be a good idea. I would favor a format with, in
addition to a FAQ-like Q&A section, a section where, for issues not
generally agreed on, there are two columns, having (where appropriate)
different views on opposite sides, closely aligned so as to present the
alternative views side-by-side on a single page. Do we have a Wiki that
could be arranged like that? (01)
I would also favor that it be a closed wiki, requiring either membership in
the Ontolog forum or specific authorization from a moderator to add or
change items. (trolls are everywhere) (02)
This would hopefully go a long way toward reducing the repetition in the
current discussion format. (03)
Pat (04)
Patrick Cassidy
MICRA Inc.
cassidy@xxxxxxxxx
1-908-561-3416 (05)
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>Subject: [ontolog-forum] How should we design a good wiki? [was Marvin
>Minsky...]
>
>I changed the subject line in response to the following:
>
>Michael B
>> if the same people debate the same problems over and over, only
>> newcomers really profit from that.
>>
>> A FAQ or a collections of documents / former discussions would be a
>> good idea but is not so intriguing to newcomers as an ongoing
>> discussion.
>
>Those are good points, but what should we do?
>
>The Ontolog archives contain the former discussions, but it's hard to find
old
>threads that are relevant to new discussions.
>And they seldom, if ever match new questions exactly.
>
>A FAQ about the issues in Ontolog Forum would be as complex as a wiki
>devoted to ontology and related issues in AI, KR, knowledge acquisition,
>software development, etc.
>
>Ontolog Forum has a blog, but it's not as active as the forum.
>And a blog has the same issues of finding relevant topics as the archive.
>
>As a test case, consider the following question. How could a front-end to
an
>archive, blog, or wiki generate or lead to anything useful?
>
>MB
>> I have read a good part of the paper and now wonder how Minsky's
>> frames are different from the much loved and despised "primitives"
>> in this forum.
>
>Pat C
>> There is no relationship whatever. Frames are a syntax, and
>> primitives are intended to capture the semantics ("meaning") of terms
>> in a logical, computational form. The meanings can be expressed in
>> any sufficiently expressive syntax.
>
>That's a good answer, but I'd add a qualification: They're different, but
>complementary. More information would be needed to explain how.
>
>What kind of automated or semi-automated tool(s) could generate, find, or
>lead to anything similar? Or better? Or sufficiently informative to
enable
>somebody to understand the relationships?
>
>For the record, I typed the following words to Google:
>
> Minsky's frames primitives ontolog
>
>The first hit was a slide presentation by Aldo Gangemi:
>http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologySummit2014/2014-02-
>06_OntologySummit2014_Overcoming-Ontology-Engineering-Bottlenecks-
>1/OntologySummit2014_Overcoming-Ontology-Engineering-bottlenecks-w-
>Knowledge-Patterns--AldoGangemi_20140206.pdf
>
>Those slides are relevant, but they don't answer the question.
>(By the way, the repetitious verbiage in the URL is not helpful.)
>
>Other hits lead to all sorts of related readings. Anyone who spent hours
>reading them might learn a lot, but not get an answer to the original
>question.
>
>Could any wiki supported by automated tools answer such questions?
>How should we design a wiki for ontology and related topics?
>
>John
>
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