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From: "Matthew West" <dr.matthew.west@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 23:41:17 +0100
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Dear Ed,

Well I had in mind something that interacted with its environment, rather than just sat there and thought. So I guess we are in the same area. I agree many have a narrower view of robot. I don’t have a requirement for human  emulation. We quite happily talk about car manufacturing robots that have no such ambitions.

 

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From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Barkmeyer, Edward J
Sent: 02 October 2014 16:22
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In spite of having worked with ‘robotics’ researchers for 30 years,  I’m not sure what the accepted definition of ‘robotics’ is.  The new buzzword is either ‘mechatronix’ or ‘cyberphysical systems’, depending largely on the continent that houses the primary funding source.  In Japan, it is still ‘robotics’.  But it is all the same idea – software controlled machines.  Then again, we may ask whether an automatic braking system (ABS) is a ‘robot’ in anyone’s assessment, but it is most assuredly a ‘software controlled machine’ that exhibits exactly Smith’s (b).

 

Similarly, almost all financial systems are automated these days, and there can be no doubt that they engender behavior that manifests their programmed-in knowledge, but I don’t think anyone would call them ‘robotics’.  The critical idea in ‘robotics by whatever name’ (Asimov included) is control of physical systems, and typically some sense of human behavior emulation.  And that seems to me rather narrower than Smith’s intent.

 

-Ed

 

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Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 6:40 AM
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Dear Ali,

I suggest that a) is ontology, and a) plus b) is robotics.

 

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From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ali H
Sent: 01 October 2014 23:39
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Subject: [ontolog-forum] Ontology vs KR

 

Hello all,

 

I know this is a topic that has been tread over many years and many times, but I recently came across this statement from Brian C. Smith in [1]:

 

Any mechanically embodied intelligent process will be comprised of structural ingredients that a) we as external observers naturally take to represent a propositional account of the knowledge that the overall process exhibits, and b) independent of such external semantic attribution, play a formal but causal and essential role in engendering the behavior that manifests that knowledge.

 

Why is this definition never proffered when discussing "what is an ontology"?

 

It seems to me that those in the field of ontology focus on (a). 

 

Do most (formal) ontologists consider Ontology to be (a), and not (b)? If so, why not?

 

Lastly, I understand that in pantheon of AI sciences, Ontology is often suggested as a sub-discipline of KR - yet why is there such little cross over from KR to Ontology - or am I simply misinformed (c.f. FOIS vs KR or CommonSenseReasoning as part of AAAI etc) ?

 

[1] Smith, Brian C. (1985). "Prologue to Reflections and Semantics in a Procedural Language". In Ronald Brachman and Hector J. Levesque. Readings in Knowledge Representation. Morgan Kaufmann. pp. 31–40. 

 

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