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Re: [ontolog-forum] fitness of XML for ontology

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From: "Barkmeyer, Edward J" <edward.barkmeyer@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 17:11:48 +0000
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John Sowa wrote:    (01)

> There will never be "One ring to rule them all."  But we can have
> better methods for relating them and supporting interoperability.    (02)

Kingsley Idehen responded:    (03)

> Yes! And therein lies a contradiction not recognized by some that espouse
> Semantic Web openness and de-centralization while being utterly intolerant
> of alternative world views -- in regards to how logic, structured data, and
> relation semantics get woven into the World Wide Web or any other HTTP
> based network, for that matter.    (04)

+1!      (05)

The interesting problem is access to knowledge (not 'data') on the Web (not 
'The Semantic Web').
With apologies to Shakespeare:  :-)    (06)

All the Web's a stage, and all the technologies merely players.  They have 
their exits and their entrances; and one effective technology in its time plays 
many parts.    (07)

-Ed    (08)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontolog-forum-
> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kingsley Idehen
> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 11:15 AM
> To: ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] fitness of XML for ontology
> 
> On 2/7/14 9:36 AM, John F Sowa wrote:
> > Kingsley and Tara,
> >
> > I agree with both of you.
> >
> > KI
> >> If they [Amazon, Google, Facebook, LinkedIn...] used RDF (forget
> >> about the RDF/XML notation) they would have a much better system.
> > Yes.  My only addition is that we need upward compatible extensions.
> > OWL is one example.  My only complaint about OWL is the word 'the'
> > in front of the name.
> 
> Yes, the use of "The" is rampant in dialog around technologies relating to
> W3C specs. This is indeed a problem, one that many do not immediately
> recognize at first blush. I consider it a kind of passive-aggressive mode to
> marketing that's inherently divisive, as demonstrated by "The Semantic
> Web" meme and the negative role of RDF/XML.
> 
> This passive-aggressive issue leads to cognitively dissonant debates that
> generate comments such as: you are talking about "semantic web" and I am
> talking about "The Semantic Web" etc..
> 
> >    If they called OWL "A Web Ontology Language", I'd be happy.  But
> > note the comments below.
> 
> Yes, for sure!
> >
> > TA
> >> The very idea of schemas for JSON is anathema to many JSON users, so
> >> don't expect much support from the community for this.
> > I agree that unrestricted JSON is a meaningless notation.  It's worse
> > than unrestricted natural language, because it provides the *illusion*
> > of being precise.
> >
> > TA
> >> The XML schema description language (XSD) certainly has many
> >> shortcomings, but there are other options, especially Relax NG, NVDL
> >> and Schematron (http://dsdl.org/), all supported by tools like oXygen
> >> (http://oxygenxml.com)
> > The growth of multiple specification languages is fine -- provided
> > that there is a systematic way to relate their semantics to one
> > another.
> >
> > There will never be "One ring to rule them all."  But we can have
> > better methods for relating them and supporting interoperability.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> __________________________________________________________
> ______
> >
> >
> 
> Yes! And therein lies a contradiction not recognized by some that espouse
> Semantic Web openness and de-centralization while being utterly intolerant
> of alternative world views -- in regards to how logic, structured data, and
> relation semantics get woven into the World Wide Web or any other HTTP
> based network, for that matter.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Kingsley Idehen
> Founder & CEO
> OpenLink Software
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> 
> 
> 
>     (09)


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