Hello Rich, (01)
I am just saying that URIs are less ambiguous than words. They are still
ambiguous of course but that is also true for most formal systems as we know
from Gödel. (02)
Regards, (03)
Michael Brunnbauer (04)
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:49:26AM -0800, Rich Cooper wrote:
> Dear Michael,
>
>
>
> The second reference, which is a tad long, states,
> among other things:
>
>
>
> Access is dependent on architecture. It is
> precisely by providing a space of names for access
> that Web architecture is useful. In order to be
> useful, access should be unambiguous. In contrast,
> reference to natural entities is inherently
> ambiguous. In this manner, reference on the Web is
> the same as reference off the Web. This is simply
> obvious. The Web is a transport mechanism for
> (what are in the REST sense) representations such
> as web pages. What a representation represents,
> and how the names in it refer, has nothing
> particularly to do with how the representations
> are transported. In the words of Korzybsky, “the
> map is not the territory” (1931). Web architecture
> does not determine what any names, including URIs,
> refer to. It only determines what they access.
>
>
>
> I think that description succinctly captures the
> utopian vision of “meaning” that is so often
> misrepresented as in the SW descriptions. URIs
> can only hold one file, and that file is, as he
> says, “inherently ambiguous” because the web is
> all about language, and language is inherently
> unambiguous.
>
>
>
> The SemWeb, much of the ontology work, and most of
> what passes for semantics technology, is actually
> Peirce’s “sign”, containing no meaning at all.
> Meaning is in the mind of the interpreter who
> reads the material and assigns only her personal
> meaning. There is no objective “meaning” by
> definition. What you mean by a sign is very, very
> personal.
>
>
>
> -Rich
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Rich Cooper
>
> EnglishLogicKernel.com
>
> Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com
>
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>
>
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> Knowledge Engineering
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>
>
>
> Hello Rich,
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:03:20AM -0800, Rich
> Cooper wrote:
>
> > When a URI references a "definition" of a term,
>
> > there is still a huge gap between whatever is
>
> > stored as the "definition" and what the average
>
> > person of skill in the art under discussion
> thinks
>
> > of as "meaning" so I think David's point about
> the
>
> > huge variability in interpretations is still
>
> > completely valid.
>
>
>
> I never implied that the semantic web defines
> exact meaning. This
>
> is impossible and not necessary. See:
>
>
>
> http://www.ltg.ed.ac.uk/~ht/HayesSlides.pdf
>
> http://www.ibiblio.org/hhalpin/homepage/publicatio
> ns/indefenseofambiguity.html
>
>
>
> I agree with John that 'the overwhelming number of
> OWL "ontologies" published
>
> on the WWW just take the informal info from a
> terminology, put angle brackets
>
> around it, and call it an ontology' but I do not
> agree with him that you do
>
> not get extra value out of this. The extra value
> lies in introducing the
>
> informal term into a formalism where the context
> of every term is clear which
>
> is not true of natural languages where one word
> can have several completely
>
> different meanings depending on context.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Michael Brunnbauer
>
>
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