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Re: [ontolog-forum] RDF vs. EAR

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From: Duane Nickull <duane@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 20:22:42 -0800
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Very valid comments.    (01)

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On 11-12-05 7:05 PM, "John F. Sowa" <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:    (04)

>Duane,
>
>I have a very high regard for the *ML family of languages, which I have
>been using since the 1970s.  I used GML for formatting documents for
>most of my career at IBM -- that includes creating camera-ready
>copy for my 1984 book and many papers that I published externally.
>
>In the late 1980s, I participated in some workshops in computational
>linguistics, where I recommended SGML for annotating documents.  I
>wasn't the only one who did so, but I was one of the early adopters.
>
>When HTML came out, it was easy for me to convert GML documents to
>HTML documents (although I missed many of the GML formatting tags
>that had no HTML counterparts).  I still use HTML for doing almost
>all of my word processing.  Then I use OpenOffice to do the final
>formatting and translation to PDF.  (And OpenOffice uses XML under
>the covers for their document formats).
>
>I also use Mozilla tools (which are also based on XML).
>
>> XML is an "expression" of data.  This can be metadata, abstract
>> models, UML or just about any data imaginable.
>
>When it's appropriate, I definitely approve.  But the "sweet spot"
>for *ML is in marking up documents.  That includes inserting tags,
>such as the RDFa tags or the Microdata used by schema.org.
>
>But for anything beyond tags that are immediately related to the
>document (as in RDFa), XML is so far out of its sweet spot, that
>it very quickly turns sour.  JavaScript uses the script-tag for
>inserting language-like material into web pages.  That is still
>the best way to embed languages into a web page.
>
>> I think that your assertion that Tim did it for political pressure
>
>I didn't say that Tim B-L exerted the pressure.  And I wasn't the
>one who introduced the word 'political'.  But just listen to Guha's
>talk.  He wanted to use LISP notation for RDF.  So did Ora Lassila,
>Pat Hayes, and many others who had long experience in AI.  I wasn't
>there at the time, so I don't know who to blame.
>
>> XSLT, SML Schema etc all come from the same basic model
>
>XSLT is another disaster.  There have been good tools for processing
>languages since the 1960s.  I developed some myself.  But XSLT is
>a horribly inefficient example.  I'll admit that XSLT was designed
>for processing languages whose syntax uses XML.  But for most of those
>languages, XML notation was a very bad choice -- for both human *and*
>computer efficiency.  You cannot improve a bad syntax by using a bad
>tool to process it.
>
>John
> 
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