Hi Joanne,
Comments below,
-Rich
Sincerely,
Rich Cooper
EnglishLogicKernel.com
Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com
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I haven't been following this thread recently, but noticed the last few
posts, so I missed all the politics etc., (good timing, I guess). I am
interested in a self interest and motivation based ontology so include me if a
separate list develops. I am interested in it from then perspective of
motivation and incentives for health related behaviors, and also what role the
web plays and can play in positively motivating a healthy self interest in
health.
A simple model of approach / avoidance behavior might be a place to
start too, along with the Maslow idea.
Joanne
Thanks for the idea – approach and
avoidance values and behaviors sound like a good addition to the list, or
perhaps as a meta value which could be applied to many more primitive
concepts. How would you represent this?
In a simple linear model, the RMS
difference between a goal value vector and the situational value vector would
be appropriate. Is this the kind of thing you are suggesting, or do you
have a more advanced version in mind, possibly facts and rules that should be
considered as meta level values and behaviors?
I have added your email to the list in the
belief you wanted to be so added.
Thanks,
-Rich
Sent from my iPad2
I follow the conversation
of a self-interest ontology, with great self interest. I would be happy
to be included in its continued discourse, but would be even more delighted if
the ontology focused on lower levels of Maslow's hierarchy of needs, in terms
of survival--with special attention aimed at characterizing fitness as composed
by a person's trajectory toward desired metabolic, physical, emotional,
cognitive and ??? phenotypes.
Does this sound doable?
Best,
matthew
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 7:33 PM, Rich Cooper <rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Dear John,
I agree; ontology of self interest should be part
of the list topic catalog, however, examples,
including political ones, are needed to illustrate
points in self interest. For example, we four
have divergent viewpoints on nearly every
political issue we raised in the forum, and I
don't see how we can avoid such examples in the
future. So the problem remains; many people
simply can't discuss political issues (or other
self interest issues) that impinge on their self
worth. That is what I regard as the problem we
had on the list.
If you have suggestions about how to do that
without upsetting people like Chris Menzel, I
would be happy to entertain it. But it wasn't
ONLY Chris, at least a couple of others preferred
to avoid it.
Or maybe we can convince Peter to split off a
second list that relates to self interest
specifically - that would be easier anyway than
having political (or other self-interest) issues
discussed in an open forum where people get upset.
I have no desire to be involved in flames or name
calling, and would prefer that we discuss it in a
way that doesn't create the opportunity for such.
But if you believe we can discuss it without
getting into politics (I remain unconvinced still)
I am game to try it a bit more.
How do the other two of us feel about this?
Should we go back to the list, or is it too
problematic to do so.
-Rich
Sincerely,
Rich Cooper
EnglishLogicKernel.com
Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com
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