My thesis proposal is here:
http://kmi.open.ac.uk/publications/techreport/kmi-10-01 (01)
It is unlikely I will complete the work; the dark forces of startup
fever and so forth dragged me away from the work. But, just last
weekend, I succeeded in detecting a merge opportunity in structured
conversations. Those are not like merging an ontological entity
because you only have sentences to work with; much harder, much more
interesting. (02)
Jack (03)
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Rich Cooper
<rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Jack,
>
> Is there a published thesis (PDF) available that describes it in depth, or
> is the thesis research underway still - most of us put off writing till the
> fun's over! Any publications would be nice!
>
> -Rich
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Rich Cooper
> EnglishLogicKernel.com
> Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jack Park
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 1:32 PM
> To: [ontolog-forum]
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Relating and Reconciling Ontologies
>
> The platform is the result of recent thesis research and has no
> experience to brag about (yet).
> There are other issues being dealt with in terms of that platform;
> it's open source and needs a lot of work.
>
> Jack
>
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Rich Cooper
> <rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Jack,
>>
>> Your Merge and Association ideas sound very good, conceptually speaking.
> Do
>> you have any results yet from users, or other real data that can support
> or
>> challenge those ideas? Putting it into practice is where the possible
>> defects will show up. Have you gotten experience with the human response
> to
>> this yet, or is it just too early in the development for that feedback?
>>
>> Interestedly,
>> -Rich
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Rich Cooper
>> EnglishLogicKernel.com
>> Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com
>> 9 4 9 \ 5 2 5 - 5 7 1 2
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jack Park
>> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 12:06 PM
>> To: [ontolog-forum]
>> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Relating and Reconciling Ontologies
>>
>> David, you ask good questions. Thank you.
>>
>> Agree there is no such thing as a perfect label. My choice of
>> "commonLabel" was mostly to make a point, not to advertise a
>> particular ontological commitment.
>>
>> The term "automagical" is just a skosh problematic for me, for I don't
>> think there will ever be an automatic anything in terms of ontologies
>> so long as there are people with free wills, whims, and even nasty
>> streaks.
>>
>> I do think there are things we can automate, so long as we facilitate
>> dealing with conflicts, conflicting world views, etc.
>>
>> So, I see it this way:
>>
>> 1- Ontologies bake in some sort of meaning, whether it's community
>> based, just some domain expert's view, whatever. Because of that,
>> there will be many such ontologies even for the same domain of
>> discourse.
>>
>> 2- Ontologies are capable of being merged in lossy manners, much the
>> same way as the vast and continuously growing literature on merging
>> databases: hire some experts, invent a new schema, toss what goes in
>> in, toss out what doesn't go in.
>>
>> 3- Ontologies are capable of being merged in a loss free manner, in
>> the way that topic maps suggest. Pick a subject from one ontology and
>> go see what entities in others are *about* the same subject, and then,
>> by possibly different means (depending on the goals), merge them. What
>> ever doesn't merge still goes into the topic map in which ever
>> "location" it belongs.
>>
>> My favorite way of merging topics is called "VirtualMerge" in which
>> you forge a VirtualProxy that accumulates all the identity properties
>> from all of the aggregated topics. It is then connected with each of
>> the topics through what I call a "MergeAssocation" which contains a
>> list of all the justifications (fired rules) for the merge. Doing it
>> that way, you can treat the MergeAssociation instance as an actor in a
>> structured conversation where someone wants to disagree (for cause)
>> with the merge. Similarly, people should be free to suggest a merge
>> through a built MergeAssociation, in which they list the reasons for
>> the merge.
>>
>> That approach satisfies a need I created to ensure that the social
>> remains in the system *without* affecting the expertise reflected in
>> the individual ontologies. That is: I separate domain expertise from
>> the map of that domain expertise, and leave it to the social to
>> interact with the map. It takes nothing from the ontology world, and,
>> if anything, makes it even more valuable. People are now able to
>> browse, pick and choose as they see fit, and even, in the map,
>> annotate, tag, and leave thought trails that lead to even new insight
>> that can, over time, migrate into the ontology world.
>>
>> I know. Snake oil, some might think.
>>
>> I hope not.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Jack
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 11:47 AM, David Eddy <deddy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Jack -
>>>
>>> On 2011-04-21, at 5:15 PM, Jack Park wrote:
>>>
>> <snippage>
>>
>>> Where is that ontological app that I can have on my iPad that will
>>> automagically sync with the 30 year SME to tell me he's thinking
>>> M0760 and let him know my MSTR-MENSA-FL is actually his M0760?
>>>
>>>
>>> This is where I loose how ontologies provide value... at least to the
>>> care & feeding of legacy systems (the systems that run our lives).
>>> What I hear here is an attempt to find the perfect, correct concept
>>> (name/label in my domain). There is no such thing.
>>>
>>> For 20+ years I've watched folks tilt at the "one correct standard
>>> name across the enterprise". Never going to happen.
>>>
>>> I posit that we need something that discovers the names/labels in the
>>> context of their native use (my SME having worked with M0760 for 30+
>>> years) & associate them with the other similar/like things.
>>>
>>>
>>> So far I have not seen any interest in the ontology world for this
>>> issue. Can ontologies be relevant to dealing with legacy systems?
>>>
>>> ___________________
>>> David Eddy
>>> deddy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> 781-455-0949
>>>
>>>
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