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Re: [ontolog-forum] Relating and Reconciling Ontologies

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From: Jack Park <jackpark@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 13:32:28 -0700
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The platform is the result of recent thesis research and has no
experience to brag about (yet).
There are other issues being dealt with in terms of that platform;
it's open source and needs a lot of work.    (01)

Jack    (02)

On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Rich Cooper
<rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Jack,
>
> Your Merge and Association ideas sound very good, conceptually speaking.  Do
> you have any results yet from users, or other real data that can support or
> challenge those ideas?  Putting it into practice is where the possible
> defects will show up.  Have you gotten experience with the human response to
> this yet, or is it just too early in the development for that feedback?
>
> Interestedly,
> -Rich
>
> Sincerely,
> Rich Cooper
> EnglishLogicKernel.com
> Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com
> 9 4 9 \ 5 2 5 - 5 7 1 2
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jack Park
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 12:06 PM
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> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Relating and Reconciling Ontologies
>
> David, you ask good questions. Thank you.
>
> Agree there is no such thing as a perfect label. My choice of
> "commonLabel" was mostly to make a point, not to advertise a
> particular ontological commitment.
>
> The term "automagical" is just a skosh problematic for me, for I don't
> think there will ever be an automatic anything in terms of ontologies
> so long as there are people with free wills, whims, and even nasty
> streaks.
>
> I do think there are things we can automate, so long as we facilitate
> dealing with conflicts, conflicting world views, etc.
>
> So, I see it this way:
>
> 1- Ontologies bake in some sort of meaning, whether it's community
> based, just some domain expert's view, whatever. Because of that,
> there will be many such ontologies even for the same domain of
> discourse.
>
> 2- Ontologies are capable of being merged in lossy manners, much the
> same way as the vast and continuously growing literature on merging
> databases: hire some experts, invent a new schema, toss what goes in
> in, toss out what doesn't go in.
>
> 3- Ontologies are capable of being merged in a loss free manner, in
> the way that topic maps suggest. Pick a subject from one ontology and
> go see what entities in others are *about* the same subject, and then,
> by possibly different means (depending on the goals), merge them. What
> ever doesn't merge still goes into the topic map in which ever
> "location" it belongs.
>
> My favorite way of merging topics is called "VirtualMerge" in which
> you forge a VirtualProxy that accumulates all the identity properties
> from all of the aggregated topics. It is then connected with each of
> the topics through what I call a "MergeAssocation" which contains a
> list of all the justifications (fired rules) for the merge. Doing it
> that way, you can treat the MergeAssociation instance as an actor in a
> structured conversation where someone wants to disagree (for cause)
> with the merge.  Similarly, people should be free to suggest a merge
> through a built MergeAssociation, in which they list the reasons for
> the merge.
>
> That approach satisfies a need I created to ensure that the social
> remains in the system *without* affecting the expertise reflected in
> the individual ontologies.  That is: I separate domain expertise from
> the map of that domain expertise, and leave it to the social to
> interact with the map. It takes nothing from the ontology world, and,
> if anything, makes it even more valuable.  People are now able to
> browse, pick and choose as they see fit, and even, in the map,
> annotate, tag, and leave thought trails that lead to even new insight
> that can, over time, migrate into the ontology world.
>
> I know. Snake oil, some might think.
>
> I hope not.
>
> Cheers
> Jack
>
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 11:47 AM, David Eddy <deddy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Jack -
>>
>> On 2011-04-21, at 5:15 PM, Jack Park wrote:
>>
> <snippage>
>
>> Where is that ontological app that I can have on my iPad that will
>> automagically sync with the 30 year SME to tell me he's thinking
>> M0760 and let him know my MSTR-MENSA-FL is actually his M0760?
>>
>>
>> This is where I loose how ontologies provide value... at least to the
>> care & feeding of legacy systems (the systems that run our lives).
>> What I hear here is an attempt to find the perfect, correct concept
>> (name/label in my domain).  There is no such thing.
>>
>> For 20+ years I've watched folks tilt at the "one correct standard
>> name across the enterprise".   Never going to happen.
>>
>> I posit that we need something that discovers the names/labels in the
>> context of their native use (my SME having worked with M0760 for 30+
>> years) & associate them with the other similar/like things.
>>
>>
>> So far I have not seen any interest in the ontology world for this
>> issue.  Can ontologies be relevant to dealing with legacy systems?
>>
>> ___________________
>> David Eddy
>> deddy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> 781-455-0949
>>
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