Mike, (01)
Engineering is the use of economically appropriate technologies to solve
realistic, real world problems. Ontologists haven't shown an interest in
economics, or in specific problem solving so far. The disconnect between
what is going on in this list, and in other ontology groups, versus the
engineering discipline and outlook, is still quite vast. (02)
The entire issue of practical application has been ignored so far. It
probably might just as well be, since ontology has not progressed far enough
yet to provide useful applications, other than simple things like the Dublin
Core ontology. It is probably too early, and too philosophically
interesting to too many academics, to even begin that transition to practice
yet. (03)
Maybe the future will change that prospect, but it still has a very, very
long way to go. The emphasis on reducing capability of expression, on
limiting solutions so they can be academically analyzed, is still in
process. That orientation to meet scholarly goals of academia has to be
completed, and the limits of ontological practice found and documented,
before deeply demonstrative practical applications can be exhibited
convincingly. (04)
JMHO,
-Rich (05)
Sincerely,
Rich Cooper
EnglishLogicKernel.com
Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com
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Perhaps we need an ontologically precise definition of what it
means to be an "Engineer", as a starting point. (07)
Mike (08)
On 27/12/2010 15:14, Christopher Menzel wrote:
> On Dec 26, 2010, at 9:44 PM, doug foxvog wrote:
>> On Thu, December 23, 2010 14:36, Christopher Menzel said:
>>> ...
>>> Until ontological engineers, like engineers of every other other stripe,
can be assumed to have a well-defined baseline of knowledge and a basic
technical skills, an endless repetition of elementary modeling errors ...
>> Before a professional engineer of any other stripe is allowed to promote
herself as an engineer s/he has to be certified as qualified to do so.
Without a similar rigorous certification process, anyone could hang out a
shingle as an "ontological engineer".
> Indeed, seems to me that is already happening.
>
>> Perhaps some body should design such a certification process and provide
certificates to those who manage to pass.
> That is exactly what I had in mind, Doug.
>
>>> We trust every new bridge that is built to hold us up (in part) because
of the knowledge and skill of the engineers who designed it; sound bridges
that perform their function reliably are the norm, not the exception.
>> Nowadays. It was different in the 19th Century, before certification was
required. Bridges fell down. Dams collapsed. Ontologies proved F -- oh
wait, that's today.
> :-) Of course, present-day failures in the US are due largely to its
near-complete neglect of aging infrastructure in favor of its current
grotesquely misplaced spending priorities.
>
> -chris
>
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