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Re: [ontolog-forum] do not trust quantifiers

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From: "Rich Cooper" <rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 09:50:00 -0700
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I am trying to show an example of a nonphysical object (ownership of a car, and records of that ownership in a database) in relationships with a physical one.  If I can figure out how you and Doug view the situation in its component parts, I will have a better idea of your semantics re physical and mental objects.  That is the only point I wanted to make with this example,





Rich Cooper


Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com

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From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of FERENC KOVACS
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 3:24 AM
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Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] do not trust quantifiers


Rich: What about situations that comprise both physical and nonphysical objects,
such as the filled-out title of my car?

Rich, (resubmitted)

As I said before "everything is subject to chunking" 

I am not sure what a title of a your car is, but I assume it is a document certifying that you are the owner of a particular car. Whether it is empty or filled-out would not reclassify the physical document as a physical and non-physical one, nor does it matter that it refers to a "real car"

As a document it is an object and it has properties that you can list. Do you want me to continue?

If you refer to ownership (title) as non physical, yet represented by the document, it is not a problem. Neither is colour "physical", only red, blue and green are.....

In my interpretation the filled-out title of your car is just an object, not a situation. It is another issue that it has been changed and you see the result of that change in an object. But you canot grasp the filling out of the title as far as I can see, neither as an object, nor as a situation.

regards, Ferenc

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