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From: Jack Park <jackpark@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 02:43:41 -0700
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Dear Matthew,    (01)

Now I am confused. This thread relates to ontologies, their uses, and
their creation and maintenance. What has a string serving as its own
identity got to do with that? I can be deeply dyslexic at times,
meaning I have the ability to miss the obvious;  Perhaps I'm in for a
towering learning experience. Many thanks for such an opportunity.    (02)

Jack    (03)

On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 2:34 AM, Matthew West <dr.matthew.west@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Dear Jack,
>
>> A name can be its own identity.
>>
>> I think the "can" part need way more qualification. I say that as one
>> who gets confused by those who think I'm the Jack Park who writes
>> books about baseball.
>
> MW: You are now talking about your identity, not the identity of the string
> "Jack Park". When I talk about that string, I am talking about it as an
> object in its own right, not in its different uses as names of different
> people.
>
> MW: Since there is no control over the use of strings as identifiers in
> general, there is nothing to stop any string (or other things for that
> matter) being used to identify a particular object, so it is the use of the
> string that identifies you (or the other guy) and that use needs to be
> distinguished.
>
> MW: There are of course some occasions on which some organization or
> community agrees to only use, e.g. a string, to identify one thing, and this
> can be helpful, but even this does not prevent another community from using
> the same string for some other purpose.
>
> Regards
>
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>>
>> Jack
>> who writes books about wind energy, and XML topic map, not baseball.
>>
>> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:44 AM, Matthew West
>> <dr.matthew.west@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > Dear Godfrey,
>> >
>> > It's not that bad.
>> >
>> >> re John's comment on #1 - especially as you must then give unique
>> names
>> >> to
>> >> the names, and then...
>> >
>> > MW: A name can be its own identity. More particularly, the string
>> used as a
>> > name can be its own identity. Being a name is strictly about a use of
>> that
>> > string by some community to refer to something.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Matthew West
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>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Godfrey Rust
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "John F. Sowa" <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> To: <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 6:43 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Practical onomastics...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > On 5/20/2010 11:54 AM, Ed Barkmeyer wrote:
>> >> >> I agree with Doug on almost all points below.  (I should, since
>> >> >> I said many of the same things.)
>> >> >
>> >> > I also agree with most of the comments on this thread, and I'd
>> like
>> >> > to make some observations:
>> >> >
>> >> >  1. There is no such thing as an ideal naming convention that can
>> >> >     be systematically applied to anything and everything.
>> >> >
>> >> >  2. Every naming convention is context dependent, although some
>> >> >     contexts are larger than others.
>> >> >
>> >> >  3. Every convention proposed as a globally unique naming
>> >> >     convention has been modified many times over and eventually
>> >> >     accepted as yet another context-dependent convention.
>> >> >
>> >> > The proof of point #1 is simple:  the number of bits required to
>> >> > assign a unique name to everything in the universe would require
>> >> > an even larger universe to store the names.  Therefore, most
>> >> > things in our universe cannot be assigned unique names that
>> >> > can be stored in our universe.
>> >> >
>> >> > John Sowa
>> >> >
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