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From: Len Yabloko <lenyabloko@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:02:15 -0800 (PST)
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> Time is not necessarily an arrow but
> because similar to short
> distances on earth, it appears to be so. Some philosophies
> view it as
> cyclic or Wheel like (Sanskrit: Kaal Chakra) Wheel of
> Time.
>     (01)

We were discussing a time as physical phenomenon - not philosophical concept. 
The "arrow of time" refers to the property of some systems that makes it 
impossible to derive initial conditions from current state - hence the one-way 
arrow.      (02)

> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Len Yabloko <lenyabloko@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > Paola,
> >
> > The very first line of this paper is arguably wrong:
> >
> > "Objectively, time does not pass, physics reveals no
> such phenomenon"
> >
> > I can agree that physics still lack a coherent theory
> of "time arrow". But that does mean it "reveals no such
> phenomenon". There are sevral known attempt to account for
> time in theoretical physics.
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_of_time
> >
> > While writing this answer I had come accross this
> article
> >
> > http://www.temple.edu/psychology/overton/documents/ArrowTime_CycleTime.pdf
> >
> > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> Subject: [ontolog-forum] correct Logical types
> >> To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 9:43 AM
> >> thanks to a link posted in another forum
> >> (thanks DM/TGL)
> >>
> >> i come across the notion of Logical Types
> >> specificaly interested in 'correct logical types
> >>
> >> I know it may be too far a philosophical push fror
> some on
> >> this list
> >>
> >>
> >>  I am rushing around and dont have much time to
> >> study/discuss in depth
> >>
> >> i hope it is of interest, so posting for
> reference
> >>
> >> 
>http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00005073/01/Transtemporal_Phenomenal_Consciousness.pdf
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> proposes a systems thnking view of logical
> stances
> >>
> >> quasi random excerpts
> >>
> >> Relativity requires that we consider the dimension
> of time
> >> on a par with the spatial dimensions, thus making
> a block
> >> universe inevitable. The concept of change can be
> recovered
> >> by considering a sequence of definitions of the
> block
> >> universe, and thus the passage of time can be
> considered to
> >> be the change of this definition, resulting in a
> sequence of
> >> block universes as transtemporal reality
> >>
> >> ........
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 6 Logical Type
> >> In order to make the ideas more accessible I have
> described
> >> the process as one of experiencing, but this is
> the
> >> subjective perspective of the underlying
> phenomenon, the
> >> indexical change of the functional frame of
> reference, the
> >> exercise of the collapse dynamics, which is on
> this view an
> >> emergent property of the system as a whole. That
> the
> >> collapse dynamics is meta to the physical is at
> first a very
> >> counterintuitive idea, but this is what is
> required to give
> >> rise to a process of the correct logical type.
> Given that
> >> all of the moments exist in static array,
> iteration is
> >> required in order for there to be any
> transtemporal
> >> phenomena, and a transition through a succession
> of
> >> definitions of the linear dynamics is a process
> meta to the
> >> physical; the linear dynamics is the logical
> arrangement of
> >> interactions of the matter and energy in the
> spacetime of
> >> the universe, and the change to this layout is of
> a
> >> different logical type to the layout itself.
> >>
> >>
> >> ...
> >> .........
> >> What would be required is something that is to the
> moments
> >> as the projector is to the movie, something that
> contains
> >> all the moments and iterates the sequence. Clearly
> only the
> >> unitary system as a whole contains all the moments
> of any
> >> given sequence. Additionally, the only possible
> expression
> >> of the necessary logical type for an iterator is
> an emergent
> >> property of the system as a whole; only the system
> as a
> >> whole is of the correct logical type to change
> the
> >> functional frame of reference from one block
> universe to
> >> another, giving rise to the appearance of collapse
> described
> >> by Everett. Objectively this transtemporal process
> is the
> >> collapse dynamics, subjectively it is phenomenal
> >> consciousness passing through time.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> end exerpts
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Paola Di Maio
> >>
> **************************************************
> >> “Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination
> will take
> >> you everywhere.”
> >> Albert Einstein
> >>
> **************************************************
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> Ravi
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