Re: [ontolog-forum] correct Logical types

[Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx>]

Len

hopefully by writing a critique of this paper you can contribute to the opening up of the subject
its hard to find the words to express such concepts 'right'
it still makes some good arguments i think 

there is wheat and chaff mixed in most literature, especially these days that publishing is becoming relatively easier
we must become more critical 

Quickly read through Overton's paper seems very precious, illustrations are great too

(wonder if I should check if any international agency holds any information file  warning about the beliefs and opinions of this author on other facts of life just to be on the safe side)

quote
In this target article, I explore the thesis that both the natural and human sciences are 
 undergoing--however gradually and reluctantly--a deep and broad paradigm shift. 
 This shift is away from foundational, objectivist, atomist, nondirectional mechanistic 
 category systems and toward interpretational, holistic, relational-dialectical, direc- 
 tional organic category systems. The contextual influence of each of these category 
 systems on understandings of change (development), cognition, and personality is 
 examined both historically and from a contemporary perspective across a wide band 
 of scientific disciplines.



It references, among lots of other work, also Phenomenologie des Geistes, Hegel, (page 11) which is a 700 pages tome I found by chance around Christmas together with history of mathematics another 700 pages (santa klaus?) I had to leave them behind cause
to heavy to carry (especially on camelback)

 In German Geist translates both into Mind/Spirit
making the translation of the title to English somehow a partial, possibly limiting, semantic choice

Solid stuff to ponder

thanks for posting

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On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Len Yabloko <lenyabloko@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Paola,

The very first line of this paper is arguably wrong:

"Objectively, time does not pass, physics reveals no such phenomenon"

I can agree that physics still lack a coherent theory of "time arrow". But that does mean it "reveals no such phenomenon". There are sevral known attempt to account for time in theoretical physics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_of_time

While writing this answer I had come accross this article

http://www.temple.edu/psychology/overton/documents/ArrowTime_CycleTime.pdf

--- On Thu, 1/21/10, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> From: Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [ontolog-forum] correct Logical types
> To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 9:43 AM

> thanks to a link posted in another forum
> (thanks DM/TGL)
>
> i come across the notion of Logical Types
> specificaly interested in 'correct logical types
>
> I know it may be too far a philosophical push fror some on
> this list
>
>
>  I am rushing around and dont have much time to
> study/discuss in depth
>
> i hope it is of interest, so posting for reference
>
> http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00005073/01/Transtemporal_Phenomenal_Consciousness.pdf
>
>
>
> proposes a systems thnking view of logical stances
>
> quasi random excerpts
>
> Relativity requires that we consider the dimension of time
> on a par with the spatial dimensions, thus making a block
> universe inevitable. The concept of change can be recovered
> by considering a sequence of definitions of the block
> universe, and thus the passage of time can be considered to
> be the change of this definition, resulting in a sequence of
> block universes as transtemporal reality
>
> ........
>
>
>
> 6 Logical Type
> In order to make the ideas more accessible I have described
> the process as one of experiencing, but this is the
> subjective perspective of the underlying phenomenon, the
> indexical change of the functional frame of reference, the
> exercise of the collapse dynamics, which is on this view an
> emergent property of the system as a whole. That the
> collapse dynamics is meta to the physical is at first a very
> counterintuitive idea, but this is what is required to give
> rise to a process of the correct logical type. Given that
> all of the moments exist in static array, iteration is
> required in order for there to be any transtemporal
> phenomena, and a transition through a succession of
> definitions of the linear dynamics is a process meta to the
> physical; the linear dynamics is the logical arrangement of
> interactions of the matter and energy in the spacetime of
> the universe, and the change to this layout is of a
> different logical type to the layout itself.
>
>
> ...
> .........
> What would be required is something that is to the moments
> as the projector is to the movie, something that contains
> all the moments and iterates the sequence. Clearly only the
> unitary system as a whole contains all the moments of any
> given sequence. Additionally, the only possible _expression_
> of the necessary logical type for an iterator is an emergent
> property of the system as a whole; only the system as a
> whole is of the correct logical type to change the
> functional frame of reference from one block universe to
> another, giving rise to the appearance of collapse described
> by Everett. Objectively this transtemporal process is the
> collapse dynamics, subjectively it is phenomenal
> consciousness passing through time.
>
>
>
>
> end exerpts
>
>
> --
> Paola Di Maio
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> “Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take
> you everywhere.”
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