Chris,
I love your post, and am nt upset at all, but being on a train now, I am
postponing my detailed reply for a little while
Regards
Ferenc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Menzel" <cmenzel@xxxxxxxx>
To: "[ontolog-forum] " <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Ontologies as social mediators
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> On Dec 1, 2009, at 10:51 AM, FERENC KOVACS wrote:
>> ...I find that the basic laws of logic, i. e. the law of identity, etc.
>> are not endorsed by reason seeing truth as the ultimate criteria of
>> anything worth stating and accepting as plausible knowledge.
>
> If what you say is true, you should be able to give a valid argument for
> it. However, if what you say is true, it will not be possible for you to
> do so, since a valid argument must depend on the validity of the basic
> laws of logic. Hence, what you say is not true. (Of course, you will not
> accept this argument since it depends on the argument pattern Reductio Ad
> Absurdum, which according to you is not endorsed by reason and hence,
> presumably, is not valid.)
>
>> On the contrary, they are endorsed by emotion and will,
>
> So I guess it follows for you (although how can it *follow* if there are
> no objectively valid logical laws by which one thing follows from
> another?) that there can be no debates. Rather, on your telling, we
> simply throw out our opinions (all of them ungrounded in argument, it
> appears) and hope that others will accept them in virtue of a sudden flood
> of emotion or a non-rational act of will. And, indeed, reading through
> your post, it does appear to be simply a series of assertions with nary an
> argument to be found so you do appear to be consistent on that score.
>
>> since truth is something people are ready to fight for and anything
>> claimed to be not true would normally upset the person claiming that
>> point, if challenged.
>
> I hope I haven't upset you. ;-)
>
> Chris Menzel
>
>
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