There is a good saying in
Russia: the holy place is never
empty. Since this respected Forum is unable to come to some joint decision on
the "holy issue" of ontology standards, somebody else had to
appear.
So there surfaced up some
astute individuals, the esteemed [Barry
Smith (US), Pat Hayes (US)] with their less known companions [Werner Ceusters
(US), Frank Farance (US), Nicola Guarino (Italy)] to fill the holy place
with their secret stuff. Barring SUMO, I've never heard of any convener of
any systematic upper ontology, if only papers and articles. The ontologies
proposed are of restricted importance, and hardly will make any useful
standards, see the synopsis on STANDARD
ONTOLOGY: the Standard Model of Reality, Representation and
Reasoning,
What
is to be done. By the next month the working draft of the MCO must be prepared.
The sponsors could be asked to make the wide public known about the results; at
least to find out the meanings of "Standardized concept systems", "Merged
Core Ontology."
By
2009-06, upon studying the draft to send the Forum?s regrets or better
replacement to the SC32/WG2 as a recommended standards project.
That's it.
Some
general reflections. There are said
many degrees of intelligence. But there are two broad types of intelligence:
shrewdness, practical hardheaded intelligence, and intellectual brightness, high
smartness. Astute folks are good in business dealings, intellectuals in big
science, in searching truths about the world. Presently, the science is
increasingly converting into a unique business activity, huge profits, zero
risk, no any investments. More and more public funds go there, which you don't
need to hardly earn. All what you need is to be sharp as a businessman, like the
people from Ontoprise, selling their old software products to the EU several
times as NeOn project, ONTORULE project; find yourself how
else.
To
head-off such bad squandering, i suggest for the politicians to accept a special
Act on Research Fraud (going as an article in the contracts signed with the
government): [in
case of false promises and fictitious delivery to consider large fines, the
amount spent plus banking interests plus moral damages to the
public]. Then, I believe, the quality of research projects will go high
while the wild commercialization of science and intellectual minds might be
stopped.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 3:49
PM
Subject: [ontolog-forum] ISO merged
ontology effort "MCO"
At
the Ontology Summit this week we learned about an ongoing effort to develop a
?merged core ontology? including contributions from SUMO, BFO, and DOLCE,
under the ISO standards procedures (JCT1/SC32). There is a brief
description of the effort and timeline:
http://jtc1sc32.org/doc/N1801-1850/32N1807-US_contrib_SP_MCO.pdf
Are
any of the participants willing to elaborate for us on the origin of this
project, and its goals and methods? Is there any opportunity to us to
view the current content? Who is expected to use the resulting product
for what purposes?
Pat
Patrick
Cassidy
MICRA,
Inc.
908-561-3416
cell:
908-565-4053
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Azamat
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 10:06 AM
To:
[ontolog-forum]
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum]
Ockham
I number you
among the best programmers, but I never written any line of code. Nevetheless,
for one of your triad i'd not spare a Nobel. But what i am missing why
John is promoting Okham, who stuck in the referential partial view of meaning
as "the thing referred, so much contributing to a defective extensional
semantics. If to advice Richard some historical readings on logics and
semantics, the best one is Port-Royal Logique, where meaning was correctly
analyzed as consisting at least of two dimensions: intension and
extension.
Re. Richard, as i
said, he has not only an honest open mind but also real intelligence.
Nowadays, it is a rare thing to find the mind caring about the real
world.
----- Original
Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April
08, 2009 5:51 AM
Subject: Re:
[ontolog-forum] Ockham
Dick:
I
have been following this conversation from day one and really urge you to
hear what Chris, Pat and John are saying. These guys have devoted
their lives to this work and have separated the aspects of ?labels? and
?conceptual work?. IMO ? you cannot pay all the money in the
world for better advice. Conceptual work is where ontology work
should be done, the labeling is where most people mistakenly think they are
doing it. When you have 3 of the world?s leading experts (yes ? that
is just my opinion) on a topic stating that your approach could use
re-considering, it is worth giving it a thought.
There is no
malice in this group and there are a lot of people genuinely interested in
helping mKR. I think if you can take this in and consider the feedback
as viable, it might help your efforts substantially. I personally came
to this group and have learned so much by being willing to be open to their
perspectives. Please give it a careful
thought.
Duane
On 4/7/09 6:12 PM, "John F. Sowa" <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Dick,
I
give up.
RHM> This makes mKR closer to Ockham's mental
language.
Nothing you write on paper or enter into a computer
is
"close" to a mental language.
If you want to learn something go
study. Pat and Chris
gave up on you long ago.
I am always
willing to go an extra mile with a student
who is willing to think about
the issues and do some
extra reading to fill gaps. But I have no
desire to
try to tutor anybody whose mind is a steel
trap.
Goodbye.
John
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