Azamat,
Thanks for the URL !
But my interest is only in one side of the biosemiotics - the
"FUNCTIONAL-EVOLUTIONARY APPROACH" -
http://home.comcast.net/~sharov/biosem/txt/biosem.html . In the "4.
Long-term objectives" part of my paper
(http://www.ototsky.mgn.ru/it/21abreast.htm ) I referenced this paper: "2.
The role of biosemiotic ideas in IT would increase. Indeed such
“objects” as musical scores, blueprints, computer programs or DNA
molecules from the biosemiotics point of view have an information
"micro-level" nature and the biosemiotics distinguishes it from
"macro-level" of "structure characters" . It differs an "algorithm of
activity" from "activity" and "results of activity". There are principle
different types of activities to create the "micro-level" objects, to copy
them, to use them for "constructing" a "macro-level" object etc. (
http://home.comcast.net/~sharov/biosem/txt/biosem.html ) ."
My intention is very pragmatic for using these ideas in my IT activity.
Of course there are much more topics in the biosemiotics but they are far
from my interests. (01)
Best,
Leonid - http://ototsky.mgn.ru/it (02)
> Leonid,
>
> There is a huge number of original works on biosemiotics,
> http://www.zbi.ee/~uexkull/biosemiotics/bibl.htm
> Two many antique notions and bold assumptions, life as semiotic systems,
> semiosis, sign processes, causality, efficient, formal and final,
> teleology,
> phytosemantics, zoosemantics, a semiotic foundation of biology, etc.
> science
> is progressing.
>
> Among the real semiotic issues are:
> The semantic dimension of meanings: senses, representation (intensions)
> and
> references (extension) of constructs;
> The pragmatic dimension of meanings: the processes how an organism assigns
> significances to signs and sign processes.
>
> That is relevant for real ontology and ontology engineering, so let's
> focus
> on these subjects.
> Regards
> Azamat
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <leo@xxxxxx>
> To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Thing and Class
>
>
>> Azamat,
>> Once more recommend to take into account the Pragmatism's Umwelt (
>> http://home.comcast.net/~sharov/biosem/txt/umwelt.html) with its
>> "subjective worlds" and the need to interact different Umwelts with
>> finding some common ideas, notions, terms.
>> Suppose this is close to the problem of "common" Ontologies .
>>
>> Best,
>> Leonid - http://ototsky.mgn.ru/it
>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 17, 2008 2:23 PM, Matthew West wrote:
>>>
>>> ''What you present below is just another world view. I try hard not to
>>> tell people they have to share
>>> my world view. But in return I do not expect others to impose their
>>> world
>>> view on me as if it was
>>> obviously correct. I certainly do not accept the position stated below,
>>> but acknowledge that others
>>> may wish to do so. My reasons in this case are simply that it is more
>>> complex than necessary.''
>>>
>>> Dear Matthew,
>>>
>>> Viewing your relaxed spirit, just some general thoughts for your
>>> peaceful
>>> cogitation. Generally agree to your suggestion that any intelligent
>>> person
>>> has sovereign rights for his particular worldviews. And nobody is
>>> allowed
>>> to encroach on such individual rights, including me as well. Then I
>>> want
>>> simply to share some deep concerns with the mind which respect.
>>> Individuals are capable to construct worldviews, of all sorts and
>>> manner
>>> and styles, models, outlooks, hypothesis, schemes, schemata, scripts,
>>> etc.
>>> Take for example the wide-spread definition of (computing) ontology as
>>> ''a
>>> data model that represents the relationships of a set of concepts
>>> within
>>> a
>>> domain'' [Ontology (computer science)]. Even inter-subjectively
>>> supported,
>>> isn't funny such a particular wordlview for a person of reality like
>>> you?
>>> Let me remind why the Economic Tsunami is certainly going to destroy
>>> the
>>> global economy. Just because this Big Economic Crunch was caused by
>>> particular worldviews: a now notorious group of NP prize winners in
>>> economics who imposed a ''scheme'' of unwarranted (''false'') mortgage
>>> securities costing no more no less but $ 500 trillion, while the whole
>>> world GDP hardly comes to the tenth. Getting the award, these people
>>> decided that their individual worldviews is something like an absolute
>>> truth, although there is no softer science as economics.
>>> I am sure that a scholar of your caliber must see the roots of things;
>>> namely, why we need play the Great Game of Ontology. As all good games,
>>> it
>>> has its ultimate goal - to unify all individual worldviews into one
>>> Global
>>> WorldView, providing an ontological frame and semantic foundation for
>>> all
>>> our specific meanings and senses and denotations and designations.
>>> As an example, in OntoPaedia, an ontological universal encyclopedia, it
>>> is
>>> ruled: ''No organization is allowed to issue securities without
>>> equivalent
>>> assets.'' In contrary, no commercial entity will go for this, because
>>> there is a particular but dominant to date model of current society:
>>> ''Capitalism is Overcapitalization.'', what is well exploited by Shell
>>> as
>>> well (pun intended)
>>> IMHO, we need to esteem private views, but they turn out as the basic
>>> reasons of crises, wars, and other social catastrophes, what
>>> demonstrated
>>> both by historical evidences and by current global economy. To have a
>>> safeguard for such global risks, we need to develop the most integrated
>>> theories about the world, the social world inclusive, what can be given
>>> by
>>> Ontology, the science of the world.
>>> Sorry for this gloom picture, consider it as a transient reality.
>>>
>>> Next time when you feel desire for the true foreign climes, cordially
>>> invite you to the Med Paradise, the legendary island of Cyprus, to
>>> visit
>>> the Goddess of Love and Beauty in Paphos, presented with my humble
>>> residence.
>>>
>>> Enjoy your time,
>>> Azamat
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Matthew West
>>> To: [ontolog-forum]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 2:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Thing and Class
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Azamat,
>>>
>>> Excuse the top posting, but I am in foreign climes and battling with
>>> an
>>> AZERTY keyboard.
>>>
>>> What you present below is just another world view. I try hard not to
>>> tell people they have to share
>>> my world view. But in return I do not expect others to impose their
>>> world view on me as if it was
>>> obviously correct. I certainly do not accept the position stated
>>> below,
>>> but acknowledge that others
>>> may wish to do so. My reasons in this case are simply that it is more
>>> complex than necessary.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Matthew West
>>>
>>>
>>> 2008/9/14 Richard H. McCullough <rhm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> You're trying to apply the terminology of English grammar
>>> to mKR, and it doesn't fit. Let me try to give you an
>>> intuitive sense of the mKR terminology. Also, you could
>>> read Rand's "Intro. to Objectivist Epistemology" for a lot
>>> more detail.
>>>
>>> "attribute" is a static property of a single existent.
>>> If the existent is a person, this would correspond to
>>> an English adjective. If the existent is an action,
>>> the attribute would correspond to an English adverb.
>>> Attributes do not change form for any reason -- the
>>> same word is used in all contexts. For example,
>>> "happy" is always used -- never "happiness"
>>>
>>>
>>> "action" is a dynamic property of a single entity.
>>> It is a concept of change -- usually in both space
>>> and time. I idealize an action as having a beginning
>>> and ending, and a space-time extent in between.
>>> The optional prepositional phrases that apply to
>>> actions (and commands and methods) are
>>> out action products
>>> of action domains
>>> with action characteristics
>>> od action direct objects
>>> from action initial characteristics
>>> to action final characteristicsActions don't change form for any
>>> reason."walk" is always used -- never "walks", "walked", "walking".Some
>>> Spanish-English comparisons that stick in my mind are
>>> Yo tengo hambre/sed/sueno/frio.
>>> I am hungry/thirsty/tired/cold.
>>>
>>> Dick McCullough
>>> Ayn Rand do speak od mKR done;
>>> mKE do enhance od Real Intelligence done;
>>> knowledge := man do identify od existent done;
>>> knowledge haspart proposition list;
>>> http://mKRmKE.org/
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Chris Menzel" <cmenzel@xxxxxxxx>
>>> To: "[ontolog-forum] " <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 3:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Thing and Class
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Sat, 13 Sep 2008, Richard H. McCullough wrote:
>>> >> Chris
>>> >>
>>> >> mKE, the program which implements mKR, enhances intelligence
>>> >> by assisting a human in creating/updating/searching knowledge
>>> >> bases.
>>> >>
>>> >> mKR is integrating syntax and semantics without ambiguity.
>>> >>
>>> >> John has happy; implies that "happy" is an attribute.
>>> >
>>> > But "happy" is not an attribute (unless you are using the word
>>> > "attribute" idiosyncratically); it is an adjective. Intuitively,
>>> it
>>> > *expresses* an attribute. But you have no semantics, so there's
>>> no
>>> > telling what you have in mind by an attribute with any precision.
>>> >
>>> >> I do walk done; implies that "walk" is an action
>>> >
>>> > "walk" a verb. And what is an action?
>>> >
>>> >> "done" is useful because "walk" may be followed
>>> >> by many optional prepositional phrases.
>>> >
>>> > I'm not sure why that makes it particularly useful. You can
>>> achieve
>>> all
>>> > the same effects in any of several more standard ways. Have you
>>> studied
>>> > other KR languages to see how similar things are done?
>>> >
>>> >> P.S.
>>> >> Spanish, and several other non-English languages,
>>> >> use "has" for attributes instead of "is".
>>> >
>>> > I'm not certain what you mean by saying they use "has" for
>>> attributes,
>>> > but I'm guessing you mean that they use it for the *attribution*
>>> of
>>> > properties to individuals. That is so, but they do not use it
>>> *instead
>>> > of* "is". Spanish works pretty much like English here in the use
>>> of
>>> the
>>> > so-called "is" of attribution -- "John is happy" is translated as
>>> "John
>>> > es feliz", "es", of course, being the third person conjugation of
>>> "ser",
>>> > "to be". However, as in English (and most western languages),
>>> one
>>> can
>>> > use "has" to attribute a property to an individual by using an
>>> > adjectival nominalization, that is, the nominal form of an
>>> adjective.
>>> > Thus, in English, we can say (somewhat awkwardly) "John has
>>> happiness".
>>> > And in Spanish (I think -- very rusty here), "John tiene
>>> felicidad".
>>> > But the grammar of these two forms of attribution is quite
>>> different
>>> and
>>> > the use of "has" for attribution is rather stilted and uncommon.
>>> There
>>> > is a fairly extensive body of literature on this and related
>>> topics
>>> in
>>> > linguistics and logic that I can point you to if you are
>>> interested.
>>> >
>>> >> "done" is used in many modern programming languages.
>>> >
>>> > So I've heard. ;-)
>>> >
>>> > -chris
>>> >
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