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From: "Peter Yim" <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:07:09 -0800
Message-id: <af8f58ac0801200707n562c7b01r5fcf144e7261ce5b@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Further, as mentioned previously, on Outlook or Outlook Express, one
can check a box that is labeled: "Send E-mail using plain text only"
when you  are on the dialog box for the particular "Contact(s)" or
"Addresses | Properties."    (01)

Therefore, if one brings up, say, the <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
e-mail address editing dialog, one should be able to check off that
"Send E-mail using plain text only."  This will not affect your desire
to sending other people messages in html (if you left that as the
default.)    (02)

Regards.  =ppy
--    (03)


On Jan 20, 2008 1:36 AM,  <matthew.west@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> *****************************************************************
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> Well as someone who has to use the much maligned Microsoft Outlook,
> let me just set out what can be done in this environment.
>
> 1. You can set the default format for your messages to plain text:
> Tools>Options>Mail Format>Send in this message format>Plain Text.
>
> 2. You can automatically achieve an indent of the original message
> with a ">" (or some other character of your choice, but this seems
> to be conventional) by:
> Tools>Options>E-mail Options>When replying to a message>
> Prefix each line of the original message.
> and
> Prefix each line with, >
>
> 3. I know of no way to make Outlook wrap text at 65 characters
> automatically. However, you can create a signature that consists of
> a row of 65 "*" or a character of your choice and insert it as a
> guide every so often in your message, (and optionally delete it
> later):
> Tools>Options>Mail Format>Signature Picker>New
>
> Then Insert>Signature>Foobar
>
> You then use good old Carriage Return to manually wrap the text.
>
> (Below 65 "*" for you to cut and paste)
> *****************************************************************
>
> Regards
>
> Matthew West
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> http://www.matthew-west.org.uk/    (04)


> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Pat Hayes
> > Sent: 20 January 2008 06:01
> > To: [ontolog-forum]
> > Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Formatting posts [was - Scheduling a
> > Discussion [was: CL, CG, IKL and the relationship between ...]
> >
> >
> > At 11:35 AM +0700 1/20/08, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > >Whats the answer to the question 'how did you do the pretty
> > indent with a line
> > >or two or three according to the sequence of the snipped
> > being quoted?
> >
> > Almost any email handler which works with html
> > will do this, which is why the discussion so
> > rapidly turned into a debate about the pros and
> > cons of html vs. plaintext. There are actually
> > several kinds of such indenting. The oldest looks
> > like this, using &gt; as an indent character:
> >
> > Pat wrote:
> > >Paola wrote:
> > >>>...What was the name of the app?
> > >>did anyone answer?
> > No.
> >
> > Several mail apps do this. Eudora uses x-flowed
> > text, which uses a very simple html markup to
> > indicate nested levels, and displays them with
> > vertical lines at the left-hand edge to indicate
> > the nesting. Imitating this in plain text, its
> > something like this:
> >
> > Pat wrote:
> > |Paola wrote:
> > |||...What was the name of the app?
> > ||did anyone answer?
> > No.
> >
> > though it actually looks better as the lines are continuous.
> >
> > Thunderbird uses a similar display but also
> > changes the text color with each indenting level,
> > which I personally find distracting.
> >
> > So there is no single answer; and as there are no
> > real standards in this area, there is no
> > guarantee that what looks good on your screen
> > will also look good (let alone identical) on my
> > screen, which is why some folk are so attached to
> > plain text, which for all its limitations is more
> > likely to be consistent between mailers and
> > readable by most everyone.
> >
> > Pat
> >
> > >that q started this thread off, and I have not seen the answer (sorry
> > >if I missed it)
> > >cheers
> > >PDM
> > >
> > >
> > >>   I used Eudora for many years, and I don't recall having a problem
> > >>  getting it to wrap message body text.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>   How did you do it?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>   ...
> > >>
> > >>  All of us have a lot of email traffic to attend to, and
> > to set one's
> > >>  general preferences to plaintext-only would be suicide in
> > the current
> > >>  world of general email.
> > >>
> > >>   I don't understand this. Just because someone sends you
> > HTML messages
> > >>  does not require you to reply in kind.
> > >>
> > >>   Of course not, but I often (very often) wish to use html
> > in email. I
> > >>  routinely embed images in email, for example.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>   The real problem is that either the defaults in MUAs
> > such as Eudora and
> > >>  Outlook are extremely poorly chosen, or people
> > deliberately configure
> > >>  them to produce heinous messages. If most people had even a little
> > >>  sense of what constitutes good typographic design,
> > everything would be
> > >>  fine, but well chosen sizes, layouts and colors are the
> > exception, not
> > >>  the rule. The messages on this list are not an exception, either.
> > >>
> > >>   But to go from this to banning html altogether is like
> > saying that because
> > >>  there are bad drivers, cars should be illegal.
> > >>
> > >>   But let us not start an email-format flame war. After
> > Peter's last message
> > >>  I'm trying out Thunderbird, maybe I'll be able to get
> > used to it. However,
> > >>  AFAIKS, it has no provision for making the composing
> > format sensitive to the
> > >>  particular message. If anyone can explain to me how to do
> > it (off-list), I'd
> > >>  be grateful.
> > >>
> > >>   Pat
> > >>
> > >>   Pat
> > >>
> > >>
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