Chris (01)
> John [...] suggested no such thing --
> indeed, quite the opposite; he said that most anyone on the ontolog list
> would find the work interesting. (02)
Yes, I also read it that way. And sure Leo's work is interesting and
relevant, and exciting
like other ideas proposed to the list that, for some reason, do not
seem to get 'traction' that (arguably) the may equally deserve. (03)
Having worked (very briefely though) in the theater (after a brief
spell in the circus </JOKE>), I have learned that the success of an
act often depends on how well rewarded the 'claque' is. Kinda social
behaviour issue. (04)
In online discussions groups, many use a trick, as I am sure we all know:
prompt a student or an associate to ask a question on list, so that
the answer can be elegantly and casually queued in, and let a couple
of peers support the lucky timeliness and fitness of our response,
certain that sooner or later favour will be returned - thats how clans
are formed . (scratch my back and I ll scratch yours). This is common
tactics, and widely adopted especially in politics, other times just
rather innocently, or even legitimately done (nothing wrong with
promoting one's work) (05)
I am personally interested in most things (learn, learn) and I
apologise first, for not attending the presentations in person - Idue
to time zone contrating - though I plan listen to ALL of them time
permitting and will review all the work accordingly at the earliest
opportunity. I also apologise for not supporting more actively the
ideas that I am intersted in - for example was it adrian walker, or
someone else, who sent a post recently with link about reviving an old
presentation on 'unifying logic' or something like that- that was also
very interesting I'd like to hear more. Sorry for not replying - (06)
Azamat perhaps you should substantiate and elaborate, in appropriate
form, what you mean by 'derivative' there, might add an interesting
persective to understanding the context of the presentation. (07)
Finally, I think anyone should be able to suggest a presentation,
either their own work or someone else's. While number of people
attending is a good measure of 'success' it is not the only factor to
determine whether the work is important/interesting/exciting, rather
the size of the budgets they administer, or how busy people were on
that day, or how bad was the traffic on the way to the office
(complexity rules). Very British 'speakers corner' concept, where
anyone coud walk up and take the public stand. Amazing how may people
stopped and listened everyday, you wouldnt know if they were really
interested or just had nothing better to do! dunno if its still going
though. (08)
A lot of important/interesting/exiting work is not known, nor
understood, and the purpose of this forum is also to shed light on
that aspect of reality, not just to promote and acclaim what is
already appreciated (09)
I am grateful to all for the learning opportunity, and I look forward
to reading Leo's paper/slides, any critical reviews thereof, as well
as to listen to what anyone else's has got to say. (010)
Best (011)
Paola Di Maio (012)
He only recommended, helpfully, that
> any large documents should be made available on the web rather than sent
> out via the list.
>
> Furthermore, all Leo did was inform the list of work that he and his
> group have done which he (rightly) felt might be of interest to forum
> members. If that is self-promotion of a sort that "downgrades" the
> forum, then almost everyone here is guilty -- you, in particular.
> Fortunately, this definition of self-promotion is ridiculous. The list
> exists in part for ontology researchers to share their work with others,
> so long as that work is freely available. And, knowing Leo, as you
> obviously do not, I would venture that self-promotion was the last thing
> he had in mind.
>
> > Besides, it is hardly a big deal to publicly discuss derivative works
> > with narrow scope? This Forum fully deserves high-quality agenda,
> > which should be offered by impartial members.
>
> There is no such thing an "impartial" member. Everyone is partial to
> their own views and not everyone is going to agree on what is original
> and what is derivative, what is high-quality and what is not, what is
> narrow and what is not. What there is, hopefully, is tolerance of
> diverse viewpoints (and, of course, spirited debate ;-). This is an
> open forum and one of its strengths is that a wide range of views are
> represented and a diversity of research is publicized and discussed.
> People get to decide for themselves what is relevant and important to
> them. That's why, in particular, you are able to promote your own work
> here without objection even though not everyone finds it relevant or
> important.
>
> > Now to make prime presentations, we have to invite the original
> > researchers able to say something fresh or groundbreaking. I opine
> > many of the participants will be 'enthusiastic' to learn what's going
> > on with the following hot subjects:
>
> Probably so. And lots more besides. Fortunately, no one person gets to
> make unilateral decisions about what is "hot", who should present, and
> what should be discussed.
>
> Chris Menzel
>
>
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