Hi Peter
Thanks for the reminder (01)
I have not put in any further effort, but the requirement is still
there, to map the existing body of work onto the framework - (02)
I think the keyword project was suggested from the need to find a way
to 'map' the resources using terms and concepts expressed as tags
referencing the framework -
the idea seemed to gear into Kurt and Ontologizing efforts, (03)
so to help us make a decision on how to proceed best (04)
1. status of Kurt and Ontologizing efforts in their respective
projects- I Kurt do you have an outline and any activity from your
side to share? do you see scope for synergy? Is yours a personal
project? (05)
2. Deborah, you seemed interested in working on this, apols I did not
follow up, are you still up for it shall we make a plan? anyone else
interested? (06)
Thanks (07)
Paola Di Maio (08)
On 10/5/07, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Paola,
>
> Ref: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ProjectKeywords
>
> Almost a month has passed since you brought up, and posted your intent
> to start this "ProjectKeywords" as an Ontolog community project.
>
> We haven't seen much activity in getting that off the ground since
> (you may be putting in a lot of effort, its just that it is not
> obvious to the community.)
>
> Therefore, please consider whether you would still want to proceed, or
> whether you would just want to run this as a personal project (or even
> running it in a different setting.) ... Either way, I think we should
> have a disposition, and bring closure to the matter one way or the
> other.
>
> Let me know.
>
> Thanks & regards. =ppy
> --
>
>
> On 9/5/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Sure Peter
> >
> > I have placed an entry under 'projects' , with a preliminary list of
> > keywords to be hacked
> > and a couple of links and mails are already on the list - we can do a
> > more formal call after we get the feedback from the people more
> > immediately concerned
> > thanks a lot for your support
> > it is after all midnight, and I am still at my desk
> > sic
> > cheers
> > pdm
> >
> >
> > On 9/6/07, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > No problem ... (just getting teething problems out of the way), Paola.
> > >
> > > Project meetings only needs to suite the project team members, and do
> > > not have to be on done at the "regular" Ontolog weekly meeting time
> > > slots (in fact, most don't.) I regularly confer with parties in Asia
> > > (and different parts of the world) myself ... therefore (of course,
> > > depending on who else is on the team too), your location should not
> > > pose major problems to synchronous meeting. Worse case ... please use
> > > the mailing list and "meet" asynchronously.
> > >
> > > Since you've started this, please continue and make a call for
> > > participation to the forum when you are ready for it. You can suggest
> > > a tentative meeting date and then work out the final meeting date/time
> > > after you have a team.
> > >
> > > The important thing is that the project is done in an open,
> > > transparent, community process, that is properly documented ... and
> > > that the process, in addition to the deliverables, gets captured into
> > > the Ontolog dynamic knowledge repository (dubbed our "collaborative
> > > work environment".)
> > >
> > > Thanks & regards. =ppy
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/5/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > Sorry Peter
> > > >
> > > > I am totally extemporal
> > > >
> > > > The project page is started with some preliminary notes today, and it
> > > > is open for the community to change and make a meeting date as per the
> > > > commnity charter
> > > > I have a problem with meeting times, as i am the other side of the
>world
> > > > as you know. In the meantime, I have started some keywords for
>discussion
> > > > anyone who wants to take the next step, please add your name on the
>project page
> > > > and suggest next steps including the meeting and other issues
> > > >
> > > > cheers
> > > > P
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 9/5/07, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > [PDM] (c) Launch date - Today!
> > > > > > I do not forsee the need for a 'meeting as such', ...
> > > > >
> > > > > [ppy] The requirement for a project charter and a team (minimum 3
> > > > > people) is to ensure that projects being hosted are actually
> > > > > "community" projects and not "personal" projects.
> > > > >
> > > > > I appreciate your attitude towards the matter, Paola, but please also
> > > > > help keep the community process intact.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks. =ppy
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 9/5/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > Peter, Deborah
> > > > > >
> > > > > > while I was writing the email I was also thinking 'should i
>volunteer
> > > > > > ' but then deleted the thought and went on with my chores - thanks
>for
> > > > > > the encouragement
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It makes sense to develop a single set of keywords, events should
>use
> > > > > > the same tag set as all other resources, so I suggest project
>Keywords
> > > > > > is started, draft here
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ProjectKeywords
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'll start extracting and list the keywords from the framework, and
>we
> > > > > > can take it from there?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > everyone welcome to edit/add/change including those who have already
> > > > > > started similar efforts
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Some suggestions for discussion below
> > > > > > - shall we continue this thread on the ontologizing mailing list?
>(cc)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (a) a project title
> > > > > > Project Keywords (towards a thesaurus)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (b) goals:
> > > > > > To make a list of tags to associate with our resources
> > > > > > Such list should be structured and should reflect where possible
>the framework
> > > > > > Such list should also serve as possible launch pad for new ideas to
>be
> > > > > > incorporated in the framework at a later date (keywords not in the
> > > > > > framework can be used )
> > > > > > The purpose of the list of tags is to start forming a semantic
> > > > > > structure against which we can map existing and forthcoming
>resources
> > > > > > Quality of the list: The terms used should be unambiguos and well
>defined
> > > > > > We can use synonyms where more than one choice of term is possible
> > > > > > The keywords produced on this list can be used/merged with other
>related efforts
> > > > > > This project shall end when we have enough keywords to map our
> > > > > > resources against our domain (likely to remain ongoin)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Deliverables
> > > > > > ---------------------
> > > > > > a set of keyterms mapped around the framework
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Suggested Process:
> > > > > > ------------------------------
> > > > > > Phase one
> > > > > > ------------------
> > > > > > 1) make an initial list of keywords that define the framework
>(extract
> > > > > > these from the framework statment and diagrams (paola volunteers to
> > > > > > do this first step)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2) ask the author of each document on the wiki to extract the
>keywords
> > > > > > from their document/presentation/slides onto the keywords of the
> > > > > > framework
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Phase two
> > > > > > --------------------
> > > > > > set up discussion as required
> > > > > > Merge/evolve the set of keywords using other sets of keywords
>produced
> > > > > > by related efforts
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Phase three
> > > > > > --------------------
> > > > > > Produce a working document (deliverable)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (c) Launch date - Today! .
> > > > > > I do not forsee the need for a 'meeting as such', but should anyone
> > > > > > have anything to discuss or questions that cannot be handled by
>email
> > > > > > they can call a meeting anytime.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am available on skype /blogconthai/ anytime (well before 10 Pm BKK
> > > > > > time is good for me,) and on gmail - I am also happy to work asynch
> > > > > > I have opened a chat room on skype for voice and text
> > > > > >
>http://ui.skype.com/ui/0/3.2.0.148/en/publicchats-join?skypename=blogconthai&topic=Ontology%20Keywords&blob=CFbslW-yDnKHbko2iKrF5kPFyPi0jyRMgut6Z1x0su_7_2GlBR06wbRBLjsQqd-uOYoHGtI
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1], Ken Baclawsaki > is championing a similar exercise for
>artifacts
> > > > > > collected from the
> > > > > > > OntologySummit2007_Survey
> > > > > > ken - can you share your tags so far?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [2] > ... some coordination between this potential task team and
>his, and,
> > > > > > > as previously mentioned, to the OntologTaxoThesaurus project work
> > > > > > please Ontotaxo group point to the latest list of tems extracted, at
> > > > > > least we can start looking at it? Shall we continue this thread on
> > > > > > the ontologizing list to keep the coordination going?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PDM
> > > > > >
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> > > > --
> > > > Paola Di Maio
> > > > School of IT
> > > > www.mfu.ac.th
> > > > *********************************************
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> > Paola Di Maio
> > School of IT
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