It will have to be next time then
I expect a few people from this forum might be in Busan, hope to catch
up with them in the meantime.
look forward to be reading about your work in the em domain
cheers
PDM (01)
On 10/13/07, Rex Brooks <rexb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> No plans for Busan, Paola,
>
> Our Semantic Services for Clinical Decision Support paper was not
> accepted. We didn't have quite enough time to prepare, but we are
> going to offer to share it with the Ontolog Forum in the future.
>
> Will check to see if Dr. Renato Ianella is planning to attend.
>
> Cheers,
> Rex
>
>
>
> At 11:03 PM +0700 10/12/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> >Hi Rex
> >thanks for updates
> >I
> >
> >On 10/12/07, Rex Brooks <rexb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> Hi Paola, et al,
> >>
> >> First, apologies for not responding earlier, but I do know a little
> >> about the TaxoThesaurus effort, and its current status. Bob Smith and
> >> Denise Bedford are the leaders of the effort. Bob recently underwent
> >> surgery and is some weeks away from taking up the task in earnest
> >> again.
> >Best wishes Bob! health is priority
> >
> >>
> >> The last I heard the topic list she was compiling, which I believe
> >> corresponds most closely to the concept of a keyword list, had not
> >> yet been released, but I could well be wrong in that because the
> >> TaxoThesaurus is not one of my own main projects
> >
> >let's say that neither of us has heard about anything coming soon
> >but surely its just a question of time, in the meantime other
> >related activities
> >can be beneficial, if purposeful
> >
> >.. However, I have
> >> worked as part of the team from time to time and I think it has great
> >> value potential, as a more in-depth semantic index to the Ontology
> >> Body of Knowledge than I think this keyword list approach is intended
> >> to be.
> >
> >uhm. Taxo Thesaurus is based on keywords
> >the PK could be seen as a subset just to get something goin
> >>
> >> However that does not mean that a keywords project such as this would
> >> not be useful. I am sure that it would be. I confess I have not been
> >> following it closely, and I am writing to give you some idea of why
> >> the TaxoThesaurus appears to be in hiatus at the moment.
> >
> >thanks a lot
> >
> >I suspect
> >> that a keyword list and the TaxoThesaurus would be highly
> >> complementary.
> >yes, I think also
> >
> >>
> >> My own main interests remain with the uses of ontology in emergency
> >> response and health informatics, about which you will certainly be
> >> hearing more in the not too distant future.
> >
> >oh good, please share! have you joined the w3c incubator?
> >are you going to be at Busan> should we have a Bof?
> >
> >cheers
> >p
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Rex
> >>
> >> At 7:16 PM +0700 10/11/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> >> >Hi Jackub
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> how is this project different from the Taxo Thesaurus project? (
> >> >> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologTaxoThesaurus )
> >> >> Seems like Taxo Thesaurus already kind of includes the scope of the
> >> >> keywords project.
> >> >
> >> >well, I also think the scope is similar, possibly overlapping at
> >> >times, however, I think we should start working with the framework
> >> >applications asap ( 'NOW) while there is no clear indication of any
> >> >time frame for the TT deliverables to be ready - also TT started long
> >> >before the framework was conceived, while project keywords is solely
> >> >related to the framework at this stage (link to framework below)
> >> >TT is a concerted group effort, with broad scope and a variety of
> >> >goals, which requires the availability and coordination of people
> >> >resources which are not available at times (I am eagerly waiting for
> >> >a list of keywords from the TT team, but I suspect they have been
> >> >drawned by the output of their indexing effort cause I have not heard
> >> >from them since the last mail that said 'the index will run
> > > >overnight'. I am tempted to call 911)
> >> >
> >> >PK is more intended to be on quick side of things, its going to be a
> >> >fast job with an output that could be used asap
> >> >(index keywords from the framework, use as tags, and ask resource
> >> >contributors to tag their work accordingly, we could have a tidy
> >> >archive pretty quickly)
> >> >.. So it is proposed that the framework keywords is developed alongside
> >> >the TT and possibly integrated if the final output of PK indeed
> > > >overlaps the TT one
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Also, you refer to some 'framework' in the draft. What is the
>framework?
> >> >> Is it some framework that already exists or should it be developed as
> >> >> part of this project?
> >> >
> >> >Apologies for the assumption. The framework is the document were
> >> >discussed at length earlier this year, and can be retrieved with a
> >> >search, below the main links
> >> >
> >> >Let me know if you have thoughts
> >> >cheers
> >> >
> >> >PDM
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >[ontology-summit] Ontology Framework Draft Statement for the ...
> >> >Here is our draft statement about the Ontology Framework. We invite
> >> >you to consider and discuss this -- now and in next week's sessions.
> >> >....
> >> >ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontology-summit/2007-04/msg00023.html -
> >> >
> >> >OntologWiki: OntologySummit2007 Framework Session
> >> >Subject: Ontology Summit 2007 Workshop-1 - Defining the Framework
> >> >(106R); Session Chair: .... Session Recording of this Ontology Summit
> >> >2007 Session (107L) ...
> >> >ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2007_Framework_Session
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Best
> >> >PDM
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> Jakub
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx napsal(a):
> >> >> > Peter and all - following up on your recent reminder, I have a
> >> >>related question
> >> >> > that maybe can also help me decide how better to gear the keyword
> >> >> > extraction and sorting for the framework.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Are the 'promoters' of the framework, or anyone one else, intending
> >> >> > to suggest any application for it? How can people use the framework
>as
> >> >> > developed so far?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > PDM
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On 10/5/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Hi Peter
> >> >> >> Thanks for the reminder
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I have not put in any further effort, but the requirement is still
> >> > > >> there, to map the existing body of work onto the framework -
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I think the keyword project was suggested from the need to
> >>find a way
> >> >> >> to 'map' the resources using terms and concepts expressed as tags
> >> >> >> referencing the framework -
> >> >> >> the idea seemed to gear into Kurt and Ontologizing efforts,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> so to help us make a decision on how to proceed best
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 1. status of Kurt and Ontologizing efforts in their respective
> >> >> >> projects- I Kurt do you have an outline and any activity from your
> >> >> >> side to share? do you see scope for synergy? Is yours a personal
> >> >> >> project?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 2. Deborah, you seemed interested in working on this, apols I did
>not
> >> >> >> follow up, are you still up for it shall we make a plan? anyone
>else
> >> >> >> interested?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Thanks
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Paola Di Maio
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On 10/5/07, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> Paola,
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Ref: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ProjectKeywords
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Almost a month has passed since you brought up, and posted
> >>your intent
> >> >> >>> to start this "ProjectKeywords" as an Ontolog community project.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> We haven't seen much activity in getting that off the ground since
> >> >> >>> (you may be putting in a lot of effort, its just that it is not
> >> >> >>> obvious to the community.)
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Therefore, please consider whether you would still want to
> >>proceed, or
> >> >> >>> whether you would just want to run this as a personal
> >>project (or even
> >> >> >>> running it in a different setting.) ... Either way, I
> >>think we should
> >> >> >>> have a disposition, and bring closure to the matter one way or the
> > > >> >>> other.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Let me know.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Thanks & regards. =ppy
> >> >> >>> --
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> On 9/5/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>> Sure Peter
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> I have placed an entry under 'projects' , with a
> >>preliminary list of
> >> >> >>>> keywords to be hacked
> >> >> >>>> and a couple of links and mails are already on the list -
> >>we can do a
> >> >> >>>> more formal call after we get the feedback from the people more
> > > >> >>>> immediately concerned
> >> >> >>>> thanks a lot for your support
> >> >> >>>> it is after all midnight, and I am still at my desk
> >> >> >>>> sic
> >> >> >>>> cheers
> >> >> >>>> pdm
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> On 9/6/07, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>> No problem ... (just getting teething problems out of
> >>the way), Paola.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> Project meetings only needs to suite the project team
> >>members, and do
> >> >> >>>>> not have to be on done at the "regular" Ontolog weekly
> >>meeting time
> >> >> >>>>> slots (in fact, most don't.) I regularly confer with
> >>parties in Asia
> >> >> >>>>> (and different parts of the world) myself ... therefore
> >>(of course,
> >> >> >>>>> depending on who else is on the team too), your location
> >>should not
> >> >> >>>>> pose major problems to synchronous meeting. Worse case
> >>... please use
> >> >> >>>>> the mailing list and "meet" asynchronously.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> Since you've started this, please continue and make a call for
> >> >> >>>>> participation to the forum when you are ready for it.
> >>You can suggest
> >> >> >>>>> a tentative meeting date and then work out the final
> >>meeting date/time
> >> >> >>>>> after you have a team.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> The important thing is that the project is done in an open,
> >> >> >>>>> transparent, community process, that is properly
> >>documented ... and
> >> >> >>>>> that the process, in addition to the deliverables, gets
> >>captured into
> >> >> >>>>> the Ontolog dynamic knowledge repository (dubbed our
> >>"collaborative
> >> > > >>>>> work environment".)
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> Thanks & regards. =ppy
> >> >> >>>>> --
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> On 9/5/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx>
>wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> Sorry Peter
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> I am totally extemporal
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> The project page is started with some preliminary notes
> >>today, and it
> >> >> >>>>>> is open for the community to change and make a meeting date
> >> >>as per the
> >> >> >>>>>> commnity charter
> >> >> >>>>>> I have a problem with meeting times, as i am the other
> >> >>side of the world
> >> >> >>>>>> as you know. In the meantime, I have started some keywords
> >> >>for discussion
> >> >> >>>>>> anyone who wants to take the next step, please add your
> >> >>name on the project page
> >> > > >>>>>> and suggest next steps including the meeting and other issues
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> cheers
> >> >> >>>>>> P
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> On 9/5/07, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> [PDM] (c) Launch date - Today!
> >> >> >>>>>>>> I do not forsee the need for a 'meeting as such', ...
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> [ppy] The requirement for a project charter and a
> >>team (minimum 3
> >> >> >>>>>>> people) is to ensure that projects being hosted are actually
> >> >> >>>>>>> "community" projects and not "personal" projects.
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> I appreciate your attitude towards the matter, Paola, but
> >> >>please also
> >> >> >>>>>>> help keep the community process intact.
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> Thanks. =ppy
> >> >> >>>>>>> --
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> On 9/5/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx
> >><paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Peter, Deborah
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> while I was writing the email I was also thinking 'should
> >> >>i volunteer
> >> >> >>>>>>>> ' but then deleted the thought and went on with my chores
> >> >>- thanks for
> >> >> >>>>>>>> the encouragement
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> It makes sense to develop a single set of keywords,
> >> >>events should use
> > > >> >>>>>>>> the same tag set as all other resources, so I suggest
> >> >>project Keywords
> >> >> >>>>>>>> is started, draft here
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ProjectKeywords
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> I'll start extracting and list the keywords from the
> >> >>framework, and we
> >> >> >>>>>>>> can take it from there?
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> everyone welcome to edit/add/change including those who
> >> >>have already
> >> >> >>>>>>>> started similar efforts
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> > > >> >>>>>>>> - Some suggestions for discussion below
> >> >> >>>>>>>> - shall we continue this thread on the ontologizing
> >> >>mailing list? (cc)
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> (a) a project title
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Project Keywords (towards a thesaurus)
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> (b) goals:
> >> >> >>>>>>>> To make a list of tags to associate with our resources
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Such list should be structured and should reflect where
> >> >>possible the framework
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Such list should also serve as possible launch pad for
> >> >>new ideas to be
> >> >> >>>>>>>> incorporated in the framework at a later date
> >>(keywords not in the
> >> >> >>>>>>>> framework can be used )
> >> >> >>>>>>>> The purpose of the list of tags is to start forming a
>semantic
> >> >> >>>>>>>> structure against which we can map existing and
> >> >>forthcoming resources
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Quality of the list: The terms used should be unambiguos
> >> >>and well defined
> >> >> >>>>>>>> We can use synonyms where more than one choice of
> >>term is possible
> >> >> >>>>>>>> The keywords produced on this list can be used/merged
> >> >>with other related efforts
> >> >> >>>>>>>> This project shall end when we have enough keywords to map
>our
> >> >> >>>>>>>> resources against our domain (likely to remain ongoin)
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Deliverables
> >> >> >>>>>>>> ---------------------
> >> >> >>>>>>>> a set of keyterms mapped around the framework
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Suggested Process:
> >> >> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Phase one
> >> >> >>>>>>>> ------------------
> >> >> >>>>>>>> 1) make an initial list of keywords that define the
> >> >>framework (extract
> >> >> >>>>>>>> these from the framework statment and diagrams (paola
> >> >>volunteers to
> >> >> >>>>>>>> do this first step)
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> 2) ask the author of each document on the wiki to extract
> >> >>the keywords
> >> >> >>>>>>>> from their document/presentation/slides onto the
> >>keywords of the
> >> >> >>>>>>>> framework
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>>>> Phase two
> >> >> >>>>>>>> --------------------
> >> >> >>>>>>>> set up discussion as required
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Merge/evolve the set of keywords using other sets of
> >> >>keywords produced
> >> >> >>>>>>>> by related efforts
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Phase three
> >> >> >>>>>>>> --------------------
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Produce a working document (deliverable)
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> (c) Launch date - Today! .
> >> >> >>>>>>>> I do not forsee the need for a 'meeting as such', but
> >> >>should anyone
> >> >> >>>>>>>> have anything to discuss or questions that cannot be
> >> >>handled by email
> >> >> >>>>>>>> they can call a meeting anytime.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> I am available on skype /blogconthai/ anytime (well
> >> >>before 10 Pm BKK
> >> >> >>>>>>>> time is good for me,) and on gmail - I am also happy to
> >> >>work asynch
> >> > > >>>>>>>> I have opened a chat room on skype for voice and text
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >>
>>>http://ui.skype.com/ui/0/3.2.0.148/en/publicchats-join?skypename=blogconthai&topic=Ontology%20Keywords&blob=CFbslW-yDnKHbko2iKrF5kPFyPi0jyRMgut6Z1x0su_7_2GlBR06wbRBLjsQqd-uOYoHGtI
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> [1], Ken Baclawsaki > is championing a similar exercise
> >> >>for artifacts
> >> >> >>>>>>>> collected from the
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> OntologySummit2007_Survey
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> ken - can you share your tags so far?
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> [2] > ... some coordination between this potential task
> >> >>team and his, and,
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> as previously mentioned, to the OntologTaxoThesaurus
> >>project work
> > > >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> please Ontotaxo group point to the latest list of tems
> >> >>extracted, at
> >> >> >>>>>>>> least we can start looking at it? Shall we continue
> >>this thread on
> >> >> >>>>>>>> the ontologizing list to keep the coordination going?
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Cheers
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> PDM
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
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