Hi Rex
thanks for updates
I (01)
On 10/12/07, Rex Brooks <rexb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Paola, et al,
>
> First, apologies for not responding earlier, but I do know a little
> about the TaxoThesaurus effort, and its current status. Bob Smith and
> Denise Bedford are the leaders of the effort. Bob recently underwent
> surgery and is some weeks away from taking up the task in earnest
> again.
Best wishes Bob! health is priority (02)
>
> The last I heard the topic list she was compiling, which I believe
> corresponds most closely to the concept of a keyword list, had not
> yet been released, but I could well be wrong in that because the
> TaxoThesaurus is not one of my own main projects (03)
let's say that neither of us has heard about anything coming soon
but surely its just a question of time, in the meantime other related activities
can be beneficial, if purposeful (04)
. However, I have
> worked as part of the team from time to time and I think it has great
> value potential, as a more in-depth semantic index to the Ontology
> Body of Knowledge than I think this keyword list approach is intended
> to be. (05)
uhm. Taxo Thesaurus is based on keywords
the PK could be seen as a subset just to get something goin
>
> However that does not mean that a keywords project such as this would
> not be useful. I am sure that it would be. I confess I have not been
> following it closely, and I am writing to give you some idea of why
> the TaxoThesaurus appears to be in hiatus at the moment. (06)
thanks a lot (07)
I suspect
> that a keyword list and the TaxoThesaurus would be highly
> complementary.
yes, I think also (08)
>
> My own main interests remain with the uses of ontology in emergency
> response and health informatics, about which you will certainly be
> hearing more in the not too distant future. (09)
oh good, please share! have you joined the w3c incubator?
are you going to be at Busan> should we have a Bof? (010)
cheers
p
>
> Cheers,
> Rex
>
> At 7:16 PM +0700 10/11/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> >Hi Jackub
> >
> >
> >> how is this project different from the Taxo Thesaurus project? (
> >> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologTaxoThesaurus )
> >> Seems like Taxo Thesaurus already kind of includes the scope of the
> >> keywords project.
> >
> >well, I also think the scope is similar, possibly overlapping at
> >times, however, I think we should start working with the framework
> >applications asap ( 'NOW) while there is no clear indication of any
> >time frame for the TT deliverables to be ready - also TT started long
> >before the framework was conceived, while project keywords is solely
> >related to the framework at this stage (link to framework below)
> >TT is a concerted group effort, with broad scope and a variety of
> >goals, which requires the availability and coordination of people
> >resources which are not available at times (I am eagerly waiting for
> >a list of keywords from the TT team, but I suspect they have been
> >drawned by the output of their indexing effort cause I have not heard
> >from them since the last mail that said 'the index will run
> >overnight'. I am tempted to call 911)
> >
> >PK is more intended to be on quick side of things, its going to be a
> >fast job with an output that could be used asap
> >(index keywords from the framework, use as tags, and ask resource
> >contributors to tag their work accordingly, we could have a tidy
> >archive pretty quickly)
> >.. So it is proposed that the framework keywords is developed alongside
> >the TT and possibly integrated if the final output of PK indeed
> >overlaps the TT one
> >
> >
> >> Also, you refer to some 'framework' in the draft. What is the framework?
> >> Is it some framework that already exists or should it be developed as
> >> part of this project?
> >
> >Apologies for the assumption. The framework is the document were
> >discussed at length earlier this year, and can be retrieved with a
> >search, below the main links
> >
> >Let me know if you have thoughts
> >cheers
> >
> >PDM
> >
> >
> >[ontology-summit] Ontology Framework Draft Statement for the ...
> >Here is our draft statement about the Ontology Framework. We invite
> >you to consider and discuss this -- now and in next week's sessions.
> >....
> >ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontology-summit/2007-04/msg00023.html -
> >
> >OntologWiki: OntologySummit2007 Framework Session
> >Subject: Ontology Summit 2007 Workshop-1 - Defining the Framework
> >(106R); Session Chair: .... Session Recording of this Ontology Summit
> >2007 Session (107L) ...
> >ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2007_Framework_Session
> >
> >
> >Best
> >PDM
> >
> >
> >> Regards,
> >> Jakub
> >>
> >>
> >> paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx napsal(a):
> >> > Peter and all - following up on your recent reminder, I have a
> >>related question
> >> > that maybe can also help me decide how better to gear the keyword
> >> > extraction and sorting for the framework.
> >> >
> >> > Are the 'promoters' of the framework, or anyone one else, intending
> >> > to suggest any application for it? How can people use the framework as
> >> > developed so far?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks!
> >> >
> >> > PDM
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 10/5/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi Peter
> >> >> Thanks for the reminder
> >> >>
> >> >> I have not put in any further effort, but the requirement is still
> > > >> there, to map the existing body of work onto the framework -
> >> >>
> >> >> I think the keyword project was suggested from the need to find a way
> >> >> to 'map' the resources using terms and concepts expressed as tags
> >> >> referencing the framework -
> >> >> the idea seemed to gear into Kurt and Ontologizing efforts,
> >> >>
> >> >> so to help us make a decision on how to proceed best
> >> >>
> >> >> 1. status of Kurt and Ontologizing efforts in their respective
> >> >> projects- I Kurt do you have an outline and any activity from your
> >> >> side to share? do you see scope for synergy? Is yours a personal
> >> >> project?
> >> >>
> >> >> 2. Deborah, you seemed interested in working on this, apols I did not
> >> >> follow up, are you still up for it shall we make a plan? anyone else
> >> >> interested?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks
> >> >>
> >> >> Paola Di Maio
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 10/5/07, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Paola,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Ref: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ProjectKeywords
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Almost a month has passed since you brought up, and posted your intent
> >> >>> to start this "ProjectKeywords" as an Ontolog community project.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> We haven't seen much activity in getting that off the ground since
> >> >>> (you may be putting in a lot of effort, its just that it is not
> >> >>> obvious to the community.)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Therefore, please consider whether you would still want to proceed, or
> >> >>> whether you would just want to run this as a personal project (or even
> >> >>> running it in a different setting.) ... Either way, I think we should
> >> >>> have a disposition, and bring closure to the matter one way or the
> >> >>> other.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Let me know.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks & regards. =ppy
> >> >>> --
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 9/5/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Sure Peter
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I have placed an entry under 'projects' , with a preliminary list of
> >> >>>> keywords to be hacked
> >> >>>> and a couple of links and mails are already on the list - we can do a
> >> >>>> more formal call after we get the feedback from the people more
> >> >>>> immediately concerned
> >> >>>> thanks a lot for your support
> >> >>>> it is after all midnight, and I am still at my desk
> >> >>>> sic
> >> >>>> cheers
> >> >>>> pdm
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On 9/6/07, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> No problem ... (just getting teething problems out of the way),
>Paola.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Project meetings only needs to suite the project team members, and
>do
> >> >>>>> not have to be on done at the "regular" Ontolog weekly meeting time
> >> >>>>> slots (in fact, most don't.) I regularly confer with parties in Asia
> >> >>>>> (and different parts of the world) myself ... therefore (of course,
> >> >>>>> depending on who else is on the team too), your location should not
> >> >>>>> pose major problems to synchronous meeting. Worse case ... please
>use
> >> >>>>> the mailing list and "meet" asynchronously.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Since you've started this, please continue and make a call for
> >> >>>>> participation to the forum when you are ready for it. You can
>suggest
> >> >>>>> a tentative meeting date and then work out the final meeting
>date/time
> >> >>>>> after you have a team.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> The important thing is that the project is done in an open,
> >> >>>>> transparent, community process, that is properly documented ... and
> >> >>>>> that the process, in addition to the deliverables, gets captured
>into
> >> >>>>> the Ontolog dynamic knowledge repository (dubbed our "collaborative
> > > >>>>> work environment".)
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Thanks & regards. =ppy
> >> >>>>> --
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On 9/5/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Sorry Peter
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> I am totally extemporal
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> The project page is started with some preliminary notes today, and
>it
> >> >>>>>> is open for the community to change and make a meeting date
> >>as per the
> >> >>>>>> commnity charter
> >> >>>>>> I have a problem with meeting times, as i am the other
> >>side of the world
> >> >>>>>> as you know. In the meantime, I have started some keywords
> >>for discussion
> >> >>>>>> anyone who wants to take the next step, please add your
> >>name on the project page
> > > >>>>>> and suggest next steps including the meeting and other issues
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> cheers
> >> >>>>>> P
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On 9/5/07, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> [PDM] (c) Launch date - Today!
> >> >>>>>>>> I do not forsee the need for a 'meeting as such', ...
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> [ppy] The requirement for a project charter and a team (minimum 3
> >> >>>>>>> people) is to ensure that projects being hosted are actually
> >> >>>>>>> "community" projects and not "personal" projects.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> I appreciate your attitude towards the matter, Paola, but
> >>please also
> >> >>>>>>> help keep the community process intact.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Thanks. =ppy
> >> >>>>>>> --
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> On 9/5/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Peter, Deborah
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> while I was writing the email I was also thinking 'should
> >>i volunteer
> >> >>>>>>>> ' but then deleted the thought and went on with my chores
> >>- thanks for
> >> >>>>>>>> the encouragement
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> It makes sense to develop a single set of keywords,
> >>events should use
> >> >>>>>>>> the same tag set as all other resources, so I suggest
> >>project Keywords
> >> >>>>>>>> is started, draft here
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ProjectKeywords
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> I'll start extracting and list the keywords from the
> >>framework, and we
> >> >>>>>>>> can take it from there?
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> everyone welcome to edit/add/change including those who
> >>have already
> >> >>>>>>>> started similar efforts
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> - Some suggestions for discussion below
> >> >>>>>>>> - shall we continue this thread on the ontologizing
> >>mailing list? (cc)
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> (a) a project title
> >> >>>>>>>> Project Keywords (towards a thesaurus)
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> (b) goals:
> >> >>>>>>>> To make a list of tags to associate with our resources
> >> >>>>>>>> Such list should be structured and should reflect where
> >>possible the framework
> >> >>>>>>>> Such list should also serve as possible launch pad for
> >>new ideas to be
> >> >>>>>>>> incorporated in the framework at a later date (keywords not in
>the
> >> >>>>>>>> framework can be used )
> >> >>>>>>>> The purpose of the list of tags is to start forming a semantic
> >> >>>>>>>> structure against which we can map existing and
> >>forthcoming resources
> >> >>>>>>>> Quality of the list: The terms used should be unambiguos
> >>and well defined
> >> >>>>>>>> We can use synonyms where more than one choice of term is
>possible
> >> >>>>>>>> The keywords produced on this list can be used/merged
> >>with other related efforts
> >> >>>>>>>> This project shall end when we have enough keywords to map our
> >> >>>>>>>> resources against our domain (likely to remain ongoin)
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Deliverables
> >> >>>>>>>> ---------------------
> >> >>>>>>>> a set of keyterms mapped around the framework
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Suggested Process:
> >> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------
> >> >>>>>>>> Phase one
> >> >>>>>>>> ------------------
> >> >>>>>>>> 1) make an initial list of keywords that define the
> >>framework (extract
> >> >>>>>>>> these from the framework statment and diagrams (paola
> >>volunteers to
> >> >>>>>>>> do this first step)
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> 2) ask the author of each document on the wiki to extract
> >>the keywords
> >> >>>>>>>> from their document/presentation/slides onto the keywords of the
> >> >>>>>>>> framework
> >> >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Phase two
> >> >>>>>>>> --------------------
> >> >>>>>>>> set up discussion as required
> >> >>>>>>>> Merge/evolve the set of keywords using other sets of
> >>keywords produced
> >> >>>>>>>> by related efforts
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Phase three
> >> >>>>>>>> --------------------
> >> >>>>>>>> Produce a working document (deliverable)
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> (c) Launch date - Today! .
> >> >>>>>>>> I do not forsee the need for a 'meeting as such', but
> >>should anyone
> >> >>>>>>>> have anything to discuss or questions that cannot be
> >>handled by email
> >> >>>>>>>> they can call a meeting anytime.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> I am available on skype /blogconthai/ anytime (well
> >>before 10 Pm BKK
> >> >>>>>>>> time is good for me,) and on gmail - I am also happy to
> >>work asynch
> > > >>>>>>>> I have opened a chat room on skype for voice and text
> >> >>>>>>>>
>
>>>http://ui.skype.com/ui/0/3.2.0.148/en/publicchats-join?skypename=blogconthai&topic=Ontology%20Keywords&blob=CFbslW-yDnKHbko2iKrF5kPFyPi0jyRMgut6Z1x0su_7_2GlBR06wbRBLjsQqd-uOYoHGtI
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> [1], Ken Baclawsaki > is championing a similar exercise
> >>for artifacts
> >> >>>>>>>> collected from the
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> OntologySummit2007_Survey
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> ken - can you share your tags so far?
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> [2] > ... some coordination between this potential task
> >>team and his, and,
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> as previously mentioned, to the OntologTaxoThesaurus project
>work
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> please Ontotaxo group point to the latest list of tems
> >>extracted, at
> >> >>>>>>>> least we can start looking at it? Shall we continue this thread
>on
> >> >>>>>>>> the ontologizing list to keep the coordination going?
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Cheers
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> PDM
> >> >>>>>>>>
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