>This sounds like John Cage's 4'33", and is legitimate. I "heard" it at
>Oberlin College in the late 60s. Actually it can be played with any set
>of instruments: very versatile. (01)
As another slightly different example, I once
heard Oliver Sacks talking about his book 'Seeing
Voices', at which were present several
congenitally deaf people who were native ASL
signers, and I asked whether it was possible to
sing in ASL. One of them said that not only was
it possible, but she was in fact a member of her
church's choir, which regularly 'sang' hymns in
front of the (all-deaf) congregation. So
something of music can, it seems, be entirely
divorced from any kind of acoustic modality. (02)
Pat (03)
>
>http://www.naxos.com/composerinfo/165.htm.
>http://www.andante.com/article/article.cfm?id=16636
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>>From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>[mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>>Duane Nickull
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:49 PM
>>To: [ontolog-forum]
>>Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Current Semantic Web Layer pizza
>>(was ckae)
>>
>>I've noted of late that Ontology, semantics and philosophy seem to be
>>inseparable.
>>
>>My take:
>>
>>The tree makes the sound *if* sound is defined as perceptable
>(audible)
>>waves of pressure. Music exists/does not exist only if there is a
>>definition which supports some quantitative metric for its' being.
>>
>>I would support direct neural stimulation as music. Music is
>>also highly
>>subjective. Some would not consider silence music however there are
>>examples of music where silence can be used to punctuate
>>non-silence. In
>>extreme cases, this can last up to 1.5 years
>>
>>http://list.mail.virginia.edu/pipermail/silence/2006-January/00
>1822.html
>>
>>(Not sure if this is real or hoax). The longest actual
>>acknowledged silence
>>in a compelted musical work was a concert in Woodstock, New York.
>David
>>Tudor ( an experimental artist) took the stage, bowed to the
>>audience, sat
>>down at the piano, opened the score - and did not touch the keys for 4
>>minutes and 33 seconds, stood up, bowed again and left the stage to
>>thunderous applause.
>>
>>Reminds me of a famous quote by one of my favorite metnors:
>>
>>"Ever get the feeling you've been ripped off?".
>>
>>Duane
>>(quote by John Lydon, Sex Pistols)
>>
>>
>>
>>On 9/5/07 9:32 AM, "Randall R Schulz" <rschulz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday 05 September 2007 09:16, Duane Nickull wrote:
>>>> On 9/5/07 8:44 AM, "John F. Sowa" <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> Duane,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sheet music is *not* music. It is a written language,
>>>>> which has a very definite syntax, semantics, and pragmatics.
>>>>> The pragmatics, of course, is how the sheet is supposed to
>>>>> be interpreted by a performer.
>>>>
>>>> You are correct. Music is only music when it creates sound waves.
>>>
>>> Hmmm... I don't buy the "if a tree falls in the woods ..."
>>bit, but in
>>> this case, music is only music in a perceiving human's mind.
>>>
>>> In fact, I'm inclined to believe that some day we really
>>will figure out
>>> how to directly stimulate sensory neurons in a sufficiently precise,
>>> detailed and complete way that totally internal "virtual
>>reality" will
>>> be possible. Then a person could experience music in the
>>absence of the
>>> pressure waves we call "sound."
>>>
>>>
>>> Randall Schulz
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