How funny this academic world may be. The truth is ridiculed, the confusion
is extolled.
In any case, i apologize for my good wishful thinking about you. (01)
Azamat (02)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Hayes" <phayes@xxxxxxx>
To: "Azamat" <abdoul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Terminology Question concerning Web
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>Rarely have i seen such obtusness. Pat has said many interesting things,
>but
>this statement reflects the whole point of the Semantic Web. No Real
>Meanings, no Semantic Web, or no Universal Ontology, no Intelligent Web.
>That's it. (04)
You were quoting a position which I was in that
very message holding up to ridicule. This is NOT
the whole point of the semantic web. On the
contrary; which is what my message was about. (05)
Pat (06)
>Azamat
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Frank Manola" <fmanola@xxxxxxx>
>To: "Azamat" <abdoul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Cc: "'SW-forum'" <semantic-web@xxxxxx>; "[ontolog-forum] "
><ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:24 PM
>Subject: Re: Terminology Question concerning Web Architecture and
>LinkedData
>
>
>> Rarely have I seen a better example of the dangers of quoting out of
> > context. (07)
Quite. (08)
> >
>> --Frank
>>
>> On Jul 21, 2007, at 2:31 PM, Azamat wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Formal meaning is just a mathematical curiosity and has nothing to
>>> do with Real Meanings (the kind that really Matter in Human Discourse
>>> in Society, or whatever), so whenever any formal inferences are done,
>>> the formal conclusions lose all their Real Meaning and are just
>>> mathematical curiosities of no real significance, devoid of any Real
>>> Meaning content outside some narrow abstract mathematical
>>> domain."-----
>>> Original Message ----- From: "Pat Hayes" <phayes@xxxxxxx>
>>> To: "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" <pfps@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Cc: <chris@xxxxxxxx>; <linking-open-data@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <semantic-
>>> web@xxxxxx>; <www-tag@xxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 7:34 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Terminology Question concerning Web Architecture and
>>> LinkedData
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: noah_mendelsohn@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: Re: Terminology Question concerning Web Architecture and
>>>>> LinkedData
>>>>> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:55:54 -0400
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe, however, that what we're discussing here is not just
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> old
>>>>>> RDF statment. If I had made a statement that "the sky is green",
>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>> might reasonable express the opinion "no, I think Noah has set out
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> false
>>>>>> statement." The case we're discussing is different, I think. Tim
>>>>>> is, I
>>>>>> believe, responsible for the association between the URI
>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card#i and a resource, or we
>>>>>> may
>>>>>> assume for the sake of argument that W3C has delegated that
>>>>>> responsibility
>>>>>> to him. Tim states that the resource so designated is himself,
>>>>>> then
>>>>>> he is
>>>>>> not offering an opinion: he is stating a fact about the resource
>>>>>> that he
>>>>>> has chosen to identify with this URI. The dbpedia folks may
>>>>>> similarly
>>>>>> establish authoritative associations between the URIs they control
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> resources.
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>>> Noah
>>>>>
>>>>> But what observable consequences come from this within a
>>>>> computational
>>>>> system?
>>>>>
>>>>> Certainly statements like "the sky is green"
>>>>>
>>>>> ex:sky ex:colour ex:green .
>>>>>
>>>>> have consequences. For example, if added to functionality of the
>>>>> colour
>>>>> propery and uniqueness of colour objects, it is inconsistent with
>>>>> the
>>>>> sky being blue.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, what consequences can come from the association between a
>>>>> URI
>>>>> and a (non-information) resource? I can't think of any, and if
>>>>> there
>>>>> aren't any then what is the point of arguing about the status of
>>>>> such
>>>>> associations?
>>>>
>>>> I can think of many of them. Of course, they may not be *logical*
>>>> consequences. See
>>>>
>>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-comments/2003JanMar/
>>>> 0196.html
>>>>
>>>> Pat
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>>>
>>>
>>
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