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Re: [ontolog-forum] vague wish lists VS formal specifications

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From: "McComb, Dave" <mccomb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:49:45 -0700
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Matthew,     (01)

I was interested in this article.  Your site seems to be down or
protected or something.  If you can't fix that is there a way to get the
article out where we can see it?    (02)

Thanks    (03)

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Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] vague wish lists VS formal specifications    (04)

Dear Debbie,    (05)

A long time ago now I wrote something called "Developing High Quality
Data Models". This is mostly about some traps people fall into when
they develop data models, and some principles you can apply to avoid 
those traps (so what we have been talking about moving from naive
models to more robust ones). Section 8.3 gives an example of a CDIF
model.    (06)

http://www.matthew-west.org.uk/Documents/princ03.pdf    (07)

Regards    (08)

Matthew    (09)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Deborah
> MacPherson
> Sent: 23 February 2007 20:48
> To: [ontolog-forum]
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] vague wish lists VS formal specifications
> 
> 
> Hi Matthew - do you have more examples of "evidence gathering"?
> 
> On 2/23/07, matthew.west@xxxxxxxxx <matthew.west@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Dear Pat,
> >
> > See below.
> >
> > Matthew
> >
> > > ...
> > > >  > [Deborah McPherson]
> > > >  > With a checklist to follow, untrained customers will 
> be better
> > > >  > prepared and able to state what their needs are and
> > > organize their
> > > >>  resources to provide ontology engineers, programmers, 
> and formal
> > > >>  specification writers with what THEY need to get the data
> > > to flow in
> > > >>  potentially customized, atypical manners.
> > > >
> > > >MW: I disagree. My experience is that you need to take what the
> > > >customer says they need, and perform analysis to 
> determine what they
> > > >really need.
> > >
> > > A quick note: our experience here (at IHMC) on expert knowledge
> > > extraction bears this out, in spades. There is an entire field
> > > devoted to techniques for discovering what 
> customers/experts actually
> > > know and want, as opposed to what they think they know 
> and want. (In
> > > case this idea offends, bear in mind that it applies to the people
> > > doing the analysis just as much as to everyone else.)
> > >
> > > For the record, our KE mavens (I am not one of them) tell 
> me that one
> > > of the most efficient such analysis techniques involves 
> collaborative
> > > construction of a concept map, which is one reason we 
> have developed
> > > so much software around this apparently trivial notion.
> >
> > MW: Yes. I was very interested to see that COE uses almost 
> exactly the
> > notation that I have adopted over the last 15 years or so 
> that I know
> > as CDIF (CASE Data Interchange Format) for what I would 
> call evidence
> > gathering. The output might be a relatively naive 
> ontology/data model
> > (probably does not take account of change over time etc) 
> that we then
> > go away and do a more thorough 4D analysis on.
> >
> > >
> > > Pat Hayes
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