Dear Dave, (01)
I gather my site was down earlier today. (I've had other reports)
It was up just now though, so I suggest you try again. (02)
Regards (03)
Matthew (04)
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> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
> McComb, Dave
> Sent: 26 February 2007 19:50
> To: [ontolog-forum]
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] vague wish lists VS formal specifications
>
>
> Matthew,
>
> I was interested in this article. Your site seems to be down or
> protected or something. If you can't fix that is there a way
> to get the
> article out where we can see it?
>
> Thanks
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> matthew.west@xxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 5:34 AM
> To: ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] vague wish lists VS formal specifications
>
> Dear Debbie,
>
> A long time ago now I wrote something called "Developing High Quality
> Data Models". This is mostly about some traps people fall into when
> they develop data models, and some principles you can apply to avoid
> those traps (so what we have been talking about moving from naive
> models to more robust ones). Section 8.3 gives an example of a CDIF
> model.
>
> http://www.matthew-west.org.uk/Documents/princ03.pdf
>
> Regards
>
> Matthew
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Deborah
> > MacPherson
> > Sent: 23 February 2007 20:48
> > To: [ontolog-forum]
> > Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] vague wish lists VS formal
> specifications
> >
> >
> > Hi Matthew - do you have more examples of "evidence gathering"?
> >
> > On 2/23/07, matthew.west@xxxxxxxxx <matthew.west@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > Dear Pat,
> > >
> > > See below.
> > >
> > > Matthew
> > >
> > > > ...
> > > > > > [Deborah McPherson]
> > > > > > With a checklist to follow, untrained customers will
> > be better
> > > > > > prepared and able to state what their needs are and
> > > > organize their
> > > > >> resources to provide ontology engineers, programmers,
> > and formal
> > > > >> specification writers with what THEY need to get the data
> > > > to flow in
> > > > >> potentially customized, atypical manners.
> > > > >
> > > > >MW: I disagree. My experience is that you need to take what the
> > > > >customer says they need, and perform analysis to
> > determine what they
> > > > >really need.
> > > >
> > > > A quick note: our experience here (at IHMC) on expert knowledge
> > > > extraction bears this out, in spades. There is an entire field
> > > > devoted to techniques for discovering what
> > customers/experts actually
> > > > know and want, as opposed to what they think they know
> > and want. (In
> > > > case this idea offends, bear in mind that it applies to
> the people
> > > > doing the analysis just as much as to everyone else.)
> > > >
> > > > For the record, our KE mavens (I am not one of them) tell
> > me that one
> > > > of the most efficient such analysis techniques involves
> > collaborative
> > > > construction of a concept map, which is one reason we
> > have developed
> > > > so much software around this apparently trivial notion.
> > >
> > > MW: Yes. I was very interested to see that COE uses almost
> > exactly the
> > > notation that I have adopted over the last 15 years or so
> > that I know
> > > as CDIF (CASE Data Interchange Format) for what I would
> > call evidence
> > > gathering. The output might be a relatively naive
> > ontology/data model
> > > (probably does not take account of change over time etc)
> > that we then
> > > go away and do a more thorough 4D analysis on.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Pat Hayes
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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