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From: "Deborah MacPherson" <debmacp@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:41:05 -0500
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Would you say a parallel to the example below, that having terminology
and translations automatically generated...would be like automatically
generating an ontology's "geometry"? Auto-syntax?    (01)


On 2/22/07, John F. Sowa <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I just wanted to add an observation that is related to
> the questions about ambiguities in natural language and
> the critical need for precision in certain applications.
>
> There was a recent story about problems in the development
> of the Airbus 380.  One of the critical issues was that
> the 300 miles of wiring that was being assembled in France
> didn't fit through the holes in the fuselage that was being
> built in Germany.
>
> The Airbus and Boeing designers were using the same CAD
> (Computer Aided Design) system called Catia.  But Boeing
> forced all their developers and suppliers to upgrade all
> their software in lock-step every 3 months.
>
> For Airbus, however, the French were using Catia Version 5,
> but the Germans were using Catia Version 4.  The result was
> that the holes designed by the Germans didn't fit the wiring
> designed by the French. (See below.)
>
> In English (and every other NL), there is a word for "hole",
> but the exact details of how a hole is specified are seldom
> stated precisely.  But for designing an airplane the amount
> of detail can be staggering.  Discrepancies between the way
> a hole is specified in the two systems created an ambiguity
> that was not detected during the design stage.
>
> They used to say that the complete specifications (on paper)
> for the Boeing 747 wouldn't fit in a 747, and if it could,
> it would make the plane too heavy to take off.  But the amount
> of detail for the new planes is so much more voluminous that
> nobody ever puts it all on paper.  For Boeing's forthcoming
> 787 (the Dreamliner), the amount of data for the design takes
> about 16 terabytes of storage.
>
> That's a lot of potential for unnoticed ambiguities to create
> disastrous problems -- which can, as in this case, cost
> billions of dollars in redesign and lost sales.  Even worse,
> some problems could go undetected until the plane is built and
> put into service.  Then it becomes a matter of life or death.
>
> John
> _____________________________________________________________
>
> Both [versions of Catia] are able to represent objects in 3D, but that's
> where the similarities end. Engineers using Catia V4 must use a manual
> process to create the geometry of a model. To create a hole inside an
> object, for example, the system requires them to subtract a cylinder
> from the space to define where the hole should exist. By contrast, the
> product designer using Catia V5 simply feeds in a set of engineering
> instructions -- in effect, describing the location and dimensions of the
> hole -- and the geometry is automatically created. "V5 is higher-level,
> more intuitive," says Doug Cheney, product manager for CAD
> interoperability quality at ITI TranscenData, a developer of CAD
> translation software. "With the older system, the engineer figures out
> the geometry; with the new one, the system finds the best geometric
> solution."
>
> Airbus engineers ran afoul of this basic difference when creating the
> miles of wiring to be inserted inside the A380 fuselage. The engineers'
> "notes" -- appendices that describe details of models such as curves --
> sometimes are not replicated in the translation between Catia V4 and V5,
> says David Prawel, president of Longview Advisors, a Loveland,
> Colo.-based consulting firm specializing in 3D software issues for
> manufacturing. In other words, key notes required to duplicate a 3D
> model showing electrical wires as they twist and bend through the
> aircraft may fail to reappear in full and accurate detail when a design
> file in one system is converted to a file in the other.
>
> Source:
>
> http://www.baselinemag.com/print_article2/0,1217,a=200193,00.asp
> PLM: Boeing's Dream, Airbus' Nightmare
>
>
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