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RE: [uos-convene] The value of ULO

To: "Upper Ontology Summit convention" <uos-convene@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: "Obrst, Leo J." <lobrst@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 19:01:38 -0500
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Sergei,    (01)

Also, NCOR has an ontology evaluation committee, and we have proposed
some stuff (and have a recent submission to EON 06). Perhaps you'd like
to join this?     (02)

I'd also like to have a discussion about this, since my own background
is semantics for NL, and once upon a time semantics was included more
prominently in computational linguistics. Until the swing of the
pendulum into statistical syntactic based approaches.     (03)

Thanks,
Leo    (04)


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On Mar 11, 2006, at 6:29 PM, Bill Andersen wrote:    (07)

> Sergei's suggestion is an excellent one.
>
> Perhaps one very useful outcome of the UO summit would be begin an  
> effort to find funding for such tests.  Given that application  
> development costs are as high as they are, we almost never get the  
> kind of comparative studies we're talking about - no business has  
> the resources to do them and purely empirical work such as this is  
> IMHO somewhat unpopular in the academic world.
>
> I'm thinking something like the HALO project, except extended in  
> the way Sergei suggests (maybe OMG or some related body would be  
> interested in backing the "non-ontology" team)...    (08)

It would be a pleasure to work on specifying such an experiment.  
Most, if not all, of the NLP-related "bake-off" tasks so far have
been designed in such a way that the shallow, semantics-free and  
knowledge-lite approaches have a built in advantage.
Different formulations and metrics are possible. Maybe we can have a  
"birds-of-a-feather" meeting at the meeting next week to toss around
ideas...    (09)

Sergei
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