Doug,
Exactly right. (01)
Adam (02)
At 06:43 AM 3/10/2006, Doug Lenat wrote:
>I concur with Bill's position and Adam's earlier statement. I was surprised
>to see the vendor parade on the Wed. agenda, but since I hadn't helped in an
>integral way with this meeting, all along, I didn't feel I should speak up.
>
>Regarding Adan's statement, Peter, when you said you didn't understand
>why the 3 of us UO-builders might want/need to talk "to each other", it
>seemed to me that you might be missing Adam's point (well, if it's the same
>point I would have made): it isn't that the 3 of us need to talk with
>each other, nor with the public or the media, so much as with the rest
>of you, this group. I.e., we've got decades of actual experiences doing this
>that we can share with you. Many of you (academics and vendors alike)
>are new to this field, and we can tell you some of the lessons we learned
>the hard way, what surprised us (e.g., which "details" end up being critical
>and which "crucial issues" end up not being critical after all), what these
>existing ontologies ARE (as resources for the community) in at least
>more than several seconds' detail, etc.
>
>Is that what you were getting at, Adam?
>
>--Doug
>
>
>John F. Sowa wrote:
>>I support Bill Andersen's position.
>>
>>John Sowa
>>_______________________________________________
>>
>>An open letter to the UOS organizers and all
>>key participants. Please read the whole thing.
>>
>> .bill
>>
>>On Mar 9, 2006, at 19:24 , Adam Pease wrote:
>>
>> > Peter,
>> > That's good to hear. My suggestion, with
>> all respect to Mills, would be to have Doug,
>> Nicola and myself each present our views for
>> 1/2 hour each from 9am to 10:30am. That's
>> still quite limited, but might give the group
>> at least some of the groundwork needed to make
>> progress on an upper ontology summit.
>>
>>Let me amplify Adam's comments:
>>
>>For this proceeding to be taken seriously,
>>there needs to be a clear focus, clear goals,
>>and ample time given to discuss some very
>>difficult topics. All three are lacking from
>>the proposed agenda. I completely agree with
>>Adam on his earlier points about lack of proper
>>focus. Now, let me move on to another
>>topic. Upon reading Adam's post I decided to look at the agenda myself:
>>
>>
>><http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpperOntologySummit/UosApplicationDialogMeeting_2006_03_15>http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpperOntologySummit/UosApplicationDialogMeeting_2006_03_15
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>>
>>
>>I discovered that Wednesday morning's agenda is
>>a platform for commercial vendors of "ontology"
>>tools to talk about and demonstrate their
>>products and/or positions. This is a
>>completely inappropriate activity to be mixed
>>in with a scientific discussion of upper
>>ontology and an attempt at reconciliation of
>>UOs as engineering efforts. I had absolutely
>>no idea such an activity was planned. Had I
>>known I would have protested. Who is the
>>audience for this? Why where these particular
>>parties selected? Who selected them? Is the
>>press invited? What statements have been
>>prepared to give to the press regarding these commercial interests?
>>
>>We all deserve answers to these questions.
>>
>>I have given freely of my valuable time to help
>>shape the wording and agenda for the summit. I
>>work very hard to keep my life as an academic
>>researcher in this area separate from my
>>interest in my company. Now I find out that
>>my efforts and name and reputation and even
>>that of my company are being used in part to
>>foster the commercial interests of those in
>>competition with us? This is an absolutely unheard of outrage!!!!!
>>
>>I can't speak for Adam or for Doug Lenat, but
>>If you're going to have demos, then why not
>>include demos of Ontology Works IODE, Cyc, and
>>Sigma – the most mature products in existence
>>that have REAL upper ontologies in
>>them. Either open it up to anyone with an
>>actual ULO-based product, or kill the
>>commercial content altogether. I suggest
>>killing the commercial content so we can stick
>>to the science and engineering. So...
>>
>>Can any of you explain any of this???
>>
>>If not, then I will formally (and *very*
>>publicly) withdraw my personal support and that
>>of my company for the UOS effort. Moreover, I
>>will in the strongest possible terms urge my
>>commercial, academic, and government colleagues to do the same.
>>
>> .bill
>>
>>Bill Andersen
>>(<mailto:andersen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>andersen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
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>>Ontology Works, Inc. (<http://www.ontologyworks.com>www.ontologyworks.com)
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>>Office: 410-675-1201
>>Cell: 443-858-6444
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