Dear Mike, (01)
In order to integrate a number of applications, you have to reverse
engineer the ontology (if it is not explicitly available) in order
to do the integration. Otherwise you have to be very lucky. (02)
Regards (03)
Matthew (04)
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:uos-convene-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Uschold,
> Michael F
> Sent: 07 March 2006 04:10
> To: Upper Ontology Summit convention
> Subject: RE: [uos-convene] The Big Elephant...
>
>
> The punch line of this exchange is that:
> * virtually no applications today use explicit ontologies
> * w/o an ontology, there is nothing to map to a UO
> * A UO has no use for virtually all applications, from the point of
> helping interoperability.
> --except-- perhaps to help reverse engineer the implicit ogy of an
> application to make it explicit.
>
> So there must be another reason to justify the use of a UO than as the
> basis for application interoperability.
> At least, in today's world where applications don't have ontologies.
>
> If we are saying that the main purpose of a UO is that it is the only
> affordable way to achive semantic interoperability and this
> is done via
> mapping form the application ontologies to the UO, then we
> are about the
> long distant future when applications Do have ontologies. Why are we
> doing this now?
>
> Playing devil's advocate, to get our arguments crisp.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nicola Guarino [mailto:guarino@xxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 6:12 AM
> To: Upper Ontology Summit convention
> Subject: Re: [uos-convene] The Big Elephant...
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2006, at 4:26 PM, Uschold, Michael F wrote:
>
> >
> > MIkeU said:
> >
> >> Oh, and by the way, the big elephant in the room is the fact that:
> >>
> >> It is the rarest of exceptions these days, that an
> application even
> >> HAS an ontology, but hey, for the sake of this summit,
> shall we all
> >> pretend that they do?
> >>
> >
> > Nicola Replied:
> >
> > Either implicit or explicit, every application has it's own
> > "conceptualization" of a domain of interest. Surely, only
> in few cases
>
> > these conceptualizations are made explicit.
> > --
> >
> > True. The difficulty is if there is no explicit ontology or
> schema for
>
> > a given application, then there is nothing that can be mapped TO a
> > common UO. Hence, what is the value of a UO in this case?
>
> Clearly almost zero, in this case. Maybe an UO can help "reverse
> engineering" the implicit conceptualization, though.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Nicola
>
>
>
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