Dear Pat, (01)
That sounds OK to me. (02)
Matthew (03)
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> [mailto:uos-convene-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Cassidy,
> Patrick J.
> Sent: 07 March 2006 05:36
> To: Upper Ontology Summit convention
> Subject: RE: [uos-convene] KBR vs SQL - wording update
>
>
> In response to the comments of MW and BA the wording of "in-brief" (1)
> was clarified and now is:
>
> "(1) We agree that the technology of modeling and representing
> knowledge has developed to the point where it makes possible the
> creation of knowledge-based reasoning systems that significantly
> enhance the capabilities of existing relational database systems and
> object-oriented programming, to provide information analysis and
> exploitation capabilities that cannot be realized with those
> traditional systems alone."
>
> The full communique draft is at:
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpperOntologySummit/Jo
> intCommun
> iqueDraft
>
> . . . and the extended comments, where additional
> clarifications can
> be added, is at:
>
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpperOntologySummit/Ex
> tendedRem
> arks
>
> It should be clear from this wording, though it apparently wasn't in
> the original, that ontologies will exploit the existing
> capabilities of
> RDBSs, not replace them. If more clarification is needed, decide
> whether the wording in the communique is outright misleading and needs
> to be changed, or whether the words merely need clarification to avoid
> potential misinterpretation and ambiguity. In the latter case, a
> clarifying paragraph in the Extended Remarks page should suffice.
>
> Pat
>
> Patrick Cassidy
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> [mailto:uos-convene-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Uschold,
> Michael F
> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 11:10 PM
> To: Upper Ontology Summit convention
> Subject: RE: [uos-convene] KBR vs SQL
>
> This is a good point.
>
> Someone who wants semantic querying and storage capabilities can build
> a
> semantic front end top a traditional RDB, or can have a go at doing it
> natively (which is to some extent, what a object-oriented data store
> does).
> There may be performance tradeoffs.
>
> Until/Unless someone builds a semantic data store with similar
> performance as rdbs, they are likely to be the main backend technology
> for semantic reasoning/storage systems.
>
> A hard-core rdb person might argue: I don't want object-oriented dbs,
> or
> triple stores, or any of that semantic crap, all I need is a rdb.
> However this misses the point, there are advantages of having a
> semantic
> capability; there may also be performance tradeoffs. I think that
> Oracle's RDF store capability is much slower than their main product.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cassidy, Patrick J. [mailto:pcassidy@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 6:27 AM
> To: Upper Ontology Summit convention
> Subject: RE: [uos-convene] KBR vs SQL
>
> Mathew,
> Since the large ontology-based applications that will be useful for
> major problems are likely to use relational databases (or their
> equivalent) as their back-end, what is the problem with
> saying that the
> capabilities of such systems are more advanced than the
> capabilities of
> database systems alone? They are indeed not "competing" but they are
> also not "complementary"; the larger ontology-based systems will build
> on and extend the database systems.
>
> Pat
>
>
> Patrick Cassidy
> MITRE Corporation
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>
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> [mailto:uos-convene-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of West,
> Matthew
> R SIPC-DFD/321
> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 6:43 AM
> To: uos-convene@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [uos-convene] KBR vs SQL
>
> Dear Ray,
>
> The first "conclusion in brief" is:
>
> "(1) We agree that the technology of modeling and representing
> knowledge
> has developed to the point where it is feasible to create
> knowledge-based reasoning systems with information analysis and
> exploitation capabilities significantly more advanced than traditional
> systems based on relational databases and object-oriented programming
> without semantic interpretation."
>
> Well I don't agree.
>
> Ontology can help improve the design of systems using traditional
> technology, and I can see Knowledge Based Applications adding
> significant value to those traditionally developed systems. I can also
> see some genuinely "the web as a database" type applications.
> However, I think it is inappropriate to compare in this way
> traditional
> systems (that are largely transaction processing
> based) and Knowledge Based Systems. They are complementary not
> competing
> technologies.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Matthew West
> Reference Data Architecture and Standards Manager Shell International
> Petroleum Company Limited Shell Centre, London SE1 7NA, United Kingdom
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