In response to the comments of MW and BA the wording of "in-brief" (1)
was clarified and now is: (01)
"(1) We agree that the technology of modeling and representing
knowledge has developed to the point where it makes possible the
creation of knowledge-based reasoning systems that significantly
enhance the capabilities of existing relational database systems and
object-oriented programming, to provide information analysis and
exploitation capabilities that cannot be realized with those
traditional systems alone." (02)
The full communique draft is at:
http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpperOntologySummit/JointCommun
iqueDraft (03)
. . . and the extended comments, where additional clarifications can
be added, is at: (04)
http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpperOntologySummit/ExtendedRem
arks (05)
It should be clear from this wording, though it apparently wasn't in
the original, that ontologies will exploit the existing capabilities of
RDBSs, not replace them. If more clarification is needed, decide
whether the wording in the communique is outright misleading and needs
to be changed, or whether the words merely need clarification to avoid
potential misinterpretation and ambiguity. In the latter case, a
clarifying paragraph in the Extended Remarks page should suffice. (06)
Pat (07)
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Email: pcassidy@xxxxxxxxx (08)
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Michael F
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This is a good point. (010)
Someone who wants semantic querying and storage capabilities can build
a
semantic front end top a traditional RDB, or can have a go at doing it
natively (which is to some extent, what a object-oriented data store
does).
There may be performance tradeoffs. (011)
Until/Unless someone builds a semantic data store with similar
performance as rdbs, they are likely to be the main backend technology
for semantic reasoning/storage systems. (012)
A hard-core rdb person might argue: I don't want object-oriented dbs,
or
triple stores, or any of that semantic crap, all I need is a rdb.
However this misses the point, there are advantages of having a
semantic
capability; there may also be performance tradeoffs. I think that
Oracle's RDF store capability is much slower than their main product. (013)
Mike (014)
-----Original Message-----
From: Cassidy, Patrick J. [mailto:pcassidy@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 6:27 AM
To: Upper Ontology Summit convention
Subject: RE: [uos-convene] KBR vs SQL (015)
Mathew,
Since the large ontology-based applications that will be useful for
major problems are likely to use relational databases (or their
equivalent) as their back-end, what is the problem with saying that the
capabilities of such systems are more advanced than the capabilities of
database systems alone? They are indeed not "competing" but they are
also not "complementary"; the larger ontology-based systems will build
on and extend the database systems. (016)
Pat (017)
Patrick Cassidy
MITRE Corporation
260 Industrial Way
Eatontown, NJ 07724
Mail Stop: MNJE
Phone: 732-578-6340
Cell: 908-565-4053
Fax: 732-578-6012
Email: pcassidy@xxxxxxxxx (018)
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[mailto:uos-convene-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of West,
Matthew
R SIPC-DFD/321
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 6:43 AM
To: uos-convene@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [uos-convene] KBR vs SQL (019)
Dear Ray, (020)
The first "conclusion in brief" is: (021)
"(1) We agree that the technology of modeling and representing
knowledge
has developed to the point where it is feasible to create
knowledge-based reasoning systems with information analysis and
exploitation capabilities significantly more advanced than traditional
systems based on relational databases and object-oriented programming
without semantic interpretation." (022)
Well I don't agree. (023)
Ontology can help improve the design of systems using traditional
technology, and I can see Knowledge Based Applications adding
significant value to those traditionally developed systems. I can also
see some genuinely "the web as a database" type applications.
However, I think it is inappropriate to compare in this way traditional
systems (that are largely transaction processing
based) and Knowledge Based Systems. They are complementary not
competing
technologies. (024)
Regards (025)
Matthew West
Reference Data Architecture and Standards Manager Shell International
Petroleum Company Limited Shell Centre, London SE1 7NA, United Kingdom (026)
Tel: +44 20 7934 4490 Mobile: +44 7796 336538
Email: matthew.west@xxxxxxxxx
http://www.shell.com
http://www.matthew-west.org.uk/ (027)
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