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Re: [oor-forum] Categories for ontologies

To: OpenOntologyRepository-discussion <oor-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: Oliver Kutz <okutz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 01:07:31 +0200
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Dear all,     (01)

ideally we find slot for this that works for all of us - I won't be able to 
participate on the 30th as I will be in the air flying to China. A brief 
discussion in that call could be useful, otherwise we can use August to develop 
our proposal a bit further and discuss a more refined version in the September 
call.    (02)

Best, Oliver    (03)

On 24 Jul 2013, at 21:39, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:    (04)

> Dear Tills,
> 
> Oops ... I did mean Tue 2013.09.03.
> 
> We definitely want you around when we discuss this. We could try to
> tacle this at a later call (or even, briefly at least, if the right
> people are present) at the call next Tue (7/30) - OOR-Hackathon-n.03
> on "API".
> 
> Regards. =ppy
> --
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Till Mossakowski
> <Till.Mossakowski@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Dear Peter,
>> 
>> do you mean Tue 2013.09.03?
>> Then I am in Warsaw at a conference. Not sure whether I will be able to
>> participate, but maybe if suffices if Aleksandra and Oliver can.
>> 
>> Best, Till
> 
> 
>> Am 24.07.2013 21:05, schrieb Peter Yim:
>> 
>>> Dear Till & Aleksandra,
>>> 
>>> Thank you. We can discuss this a bit more at our next OOR Team
>>> (admin/planning) conference call, which is scheduled for Tue
>>> 2013.09.02. Let's remember to include this into the agenda for that
>>> meeting.
>>> 
>>> Thanks & regards. =ppy
>>> --
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Till Mossakowski
>>> <Till.Mossakowski@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dear Peter,
>>>> 
>>>> this is a good idea!
>>>> In particular, the meta ontology could be refined at various places, but
>>>> this should only be done at those places where there are real ontologies
>>>> that wait for classification...
>>>> 
>>>> Best, Till
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Am 23.07.2013 18:53, schrieb Peter Yim:
>>>> 
>>>>> Nice work! Thank you, Till & Aleksandra.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now that we have a good "starting point," we probably should devote a
>>>>> session (say, a Joint Session with interested collaborators), in the
>>>>> not-too-distant future, to discuss where to go, from here, and get
>>>>> input from the broader community.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks & regards. =ppy
>>>>> --
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Till Mossakowski
>>>>> <Till.Mossakowski@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Aleksandra Sojic has created a first version of the meta ontology, see
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://github.com/ontohub/OOR_Ontohub_API/blob/master/Domain_fields.owl
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> use "raw" for downloading and viewing with Protégé:
>>>>>> https://raw.github.com/ontohub/OOR_Ontohub_API/master/Domain_fields.owl
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This ontology provides a meta-classification that according to the
>>>>>> domain
>>>>>> subjects distributes domain-ontologies into the domain-specific
>>>>>> classes.
>>>>>> As
>>>>>> the reference classification we have considered several international
>>>>>> standards which are used to classify domain fields.  The International
>>>>>> Standard Classification of Education (ISCED) has been selected as the
>>>>>> most
>>>>>> appropriate reference for the specification of the (subject) categories
>>>>>> within the OntoHub. ISCED is a member of the United Nations
>>>>>> International
>>>>>> Family of Economic and Social Classifications and is the reference
>>>>>> classification for organizing education programmes and related
>>>>>> qualifications by levels and fields of education (ref. ISCED). In
>>>>>> particular, we have used the last version of ISCED (the final draft
>>>>>> published in June 2013) as it provides a hierarchy of knowledge domains
>>>>>> suitable for covering comprehensively the corresponding
>>>>>> ontology-modelling
>>>>>> fields.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The Domain-fields-ontology has to be developed further in order to
>>>>>> include
>>>>>> several other specifications, especially considering the domains which
>>>>>> experience a significant expansion in the ontology development, e.g.
>>>>>> Life
>>>>>> Sciences.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Please find attached a graphical visualisation of the recently
>>>>>> published
>>>>>> Domain-fields ontology.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best, Till
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> Am 29.05.2013 21:30, schrieb matthew lange:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>      We aren't taking the lead
>>>>>>>      in this categorization effort but if a standard (defacto or not)
>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>      arise we would be interested in adapting our system to use it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Watching this thread, and interested as well...do you have a reference
>>>>>>> for who is heading this up?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Ray Fergerson
>>>>>>> <ray.fergerson@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ray.fergerson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>      Oliver,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>      Worth pointing out is that we (the NCBO team) don't feel that
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>      current
>>>>>>>      BioPortal categorization is very good. It should probably not be
>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>      the basis for anything. There are external efforts to produce a
>>>>>>>      categorization system for the biomedical domain. We aren't
>>>>>>> taking
>>>>>>>      the lead
>>>>>>>      in this categorization effort but if a standard (defacto or not)
>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>      arise we would be interested in adapting our system to use it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>      Ray
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>      -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>      From: oor-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>      <mailto:oor-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>      [mailto:oor-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>      <mailto:oor-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Till
>>>>>>>      Mossakowski
>>>>>>>      Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 12:14 AM
>>>>>>>      To: oor-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> <mailto:oor-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>      Cc: Oliver Kutz
>>>>>>>      Subject: Re: [oor-forum] Categories for ontologies
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>      P.S.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>      the interesting question is then: what happens if we federate
>>>>>>> BioPortal
>>>>>>>      with SOCoP? We need a taxonomy including all the involved
>>>>>>>      categories, such
>>>>>>>      that in the ontology browser, all the BioPortal categories are
>>>>>>> combined
>>>>>>>      into one category "biology" (which can be expanded into the
>>>>>>> BioPortal
>>>>>>>      categories on demand).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>      Till
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>      Am 29.05.2013 08:53, schrieb Till Mossakowski:
>>>>>>>> Am 29.05.2013 00:29, schrieb John F Sowa:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/28/2013 4:27 PM, Till Mossakowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> After all, the user wants to use *one* ontology or
>>>>>>> classification
>>>>>>>>>> system for classifying ontologies.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> What do you mean "one classification system"?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> In BioPortal, when the user uploads a new ontology, (s)he can
>>>>>>> provide
>>>>>>>> some categories classifying the ontology. When browsing all
>>>>>>>> ontologies, you can also filter them by category.
>>>>>>>> The possible categories are: Animal Development, Biological
>>>>>>> Process,
>>>>>>>> Human, Plant, Yeast, Cell etc. (Btw, not all categories
>>>>>>> returned
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> the REST service can be selected for browsing.) The OOR
>>>>>>> instance
>>>>>>>> http://mercury-ncbo.ornl.gov seems to (erroneously) use the
>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>> categories In the OOR instance http://socop.oor.net, the
>>>>>>> categories
>>>>>>>> are (exhaustive
>>>>>>>> list): Commercial, Cultural, Defense, Financial, Geospatial,
>>>>>>>> Government, Literature, Metadata, Other, Process, Provenance,
>>>>>>>      Science,
>>>>>>>> Social Networking, Standards, Technology, Upper Ontologies.
>>>>>>>> I now just wonder what we should do for Ontohub.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The number of different kinds of ontologies, their purposes,
>>>>>>> goals,
>>>>>>>>> applications, levels, logics, notations, uses, etc., is
>>>>>>> open-ended.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Suppose that somebody asked you to compare Cyc to BFO to the
>>>>>>> Good
>>>>>>>>> Relations ontology to schema.org <http://schema.org>.  Where
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>      would you begin?  And why?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It is not about comparing ontologies. It is just that the
>>>>>>> "filter
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> category" dropdown box on the browsing web page needs to show
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>      finite
>>>>>>>> list of options to the user...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Best, Till
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>      --
>>>>>>>      Prof. Dr. Till Mossakowski  Cartesium, room 2.51 Phone
>>>>>>>      +49-421-218-64226 <tel:%2B49-421-218-64226>
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>      Cyber-Physical Systems Till.Mossakowski@xxxxxxx
>>>>>>>      <mailto:Till.Mossakowski@xxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Prof. Dr. Till Mossakowski  Cartesium, room 2.51 Phone
>>>>>> +49-421-218-64226
>>>>>> DFKI GmbH Bremen                             Fax +49-421-218-9864226
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>>>> Prof. Dr. Till Mossakowski  Cartesium, room 2.51 Phone +49-421-218-64226
>>>> DFKI GmbH Bremen                             Fax +49-421-218-9864226
>>>> Cyber-Physical Systems                      Till.Mossakowski@xxxxxxx
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>>>> 
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>>>> principal office, *not* the address for mail etc.!!!:
>>>> Trippstadter Str. 122, D-67663 Kaiserslautern
>>>> management board: Prof. Wolfgang Wahlster (chair), Dr. Walter Olthoff
>>>> supervisory board: Prof. Hans A. Aukes (chair)
>>>> Amtsgericht Kaiserslautern, HRB 2313
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Prof. Dr. Till Mossakowski  Cartesium, room 2.51 Phone +49-421-218-64226
>> DFKI GmbH Bremen                             Fax +49-421-218-9864226
>> Cyber-Physical Systems                      Till.Mossakowski@xxxxxxx
>> Enrique-Schmidt-Str. 5, D-28359 Bremen
>> http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~till/
>> 
>> Deutsches Forschungszentrum fuer Kuenstliche Intelligenz GmbH
>> principal office, *not* the address for mail etc.!!!:
>> Trippstadter Str. 122, D-67663 Kaiserslautern
>> management board: Prof. Wolfgang Wahlster (chair), Dr. Walter Olthoff
>> supervisory board: Prof. Hans A. Aukes (chair)
>> Amtsgericht Kaiserslautern, HRB 2313
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