At 12:04 PM -0500 1/24/08, Luis Bermudez wrote:
>Hi Pat,
>
>The web analogy is good. If we are assuming the web to be an
>ontology repository, then the definition :"An ontology repository is
>a facility where ontologies and relate information artifacts can be
>stored, retrieved and managed." is describing the web in the context
>of ontologies. (01)
Well, is that OK with everyone? I am quite happy with it, but I have
a sense that some members would not be, and might wish to restrict
the definition in some way (??) (02)
>
>facility = web
>stored in the correspondent web site
>retrieved = http request via invoking URIs
>Managed by owners in there own website
>
>I see that it will be useful to ask a registry about all the
>ontologies (or graphs) that meet a certain condition. Currently I
>could do some tricks with Google, but I think is not what we want,
>if not, we all ready have a registry in place. (03)
Quite :-) (04)
Pat (05)
> Then the reaming part of the definition "information artifacts and
>the relations" is what we need to concentrate on.
>
>
>
>- Luis
>
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>On Jan 24, 2008, at 11:33 AM, Pat Hayes wrote:
>
>>At 8:14 AM -0500 1/24/08, Luis Bermudez wrote:
>>>Hi Peter, et. al.
>>>
>>>sorry I missed the call..
>>>
>>>To complement.. ISO 19135:2005 defines "specifies procedures to be
>>>followed in establishing, maintaining and publishing registers of
>>>unique, unambiguous and permanent identifier" It contains definitions,
>>>such as:
>>
>>OK, interpreting this in Web terms:
>>>
>>>registration:
>>>assignment of a permanent, unique, and unambiguous identifier to an item
>>
>>A URI unambiguously identifies a SWeb ontology and provides a way
>>to access it
>>
>>>
>>>register:
>>>set of files containing identifiers assigned to items with
>>>descriptions of the associated items
>>
>>The use of "files" is archaic now. Ignoring that, a list of URIs as
>>hyperlinks in an HTML document would seem to satisfy this.
>>
>>>
>>>registry:
>>>information system on which a register is maintained
>>
>>That is the Web itself; or if you prefer, a particular website
>>such as http://www.daml.org/ontologies/
>>
>>>
>>>register owner:
>>>organization that establishes a register
>>
>>The owner of the website.
>>>
>>>register manager:
>>>organization to which management of a register has been delegated by
>>>the register owner
>>
>>yadda yadda.
>>
>>>..
>>>
>>>
>>>One of the issues is identifying the item being register:
>>>1) A resource
>>>2) A triple
>>>3) A graph
>>>4) An ontology
>>>5) ???
>>>
>>>So, "An ontology repository is a facility where ontologies and relate
>>>information artifacts can be stored, retrieved and managed.", in ISO
>>>words will be:
>>>
>>>An ontology repository is an ontology registry or information system
>>>on which a register of ontologies is maintained.
>>
>>Like many ISO definitions, this seems to be completely vacuous, or
>>possibly wrong. (A repository is a registry?? Surely not.)
>>
>>Pat
>>
>>>
>>>- Luis
>>>
>>>
>>>___
>>>Luis Bermudez Ph.D.
>>>Coastal Research Technical Manager
>>>Southeastern Universities Research Association (SURA)
>>>bermudez@xxxxxxxx - Office: (202) 408-8211 Mobile: (267) 481-4939
>>>1201 New York Ave. NW Suite 430, Washington DC 20005
>>>
>>>On Jan 23, 2008, at 11:13 PM, Peter Yim wrote:
>>>
>>>> I concur, Lee. In fact, I was hoping we would have come to closure on
>>>> this at the call today (but unfortunately, we did not.)
>>>>
>>>> Since we only had 12 people on the call (out of the 38 that are
>>>> subscribed to the list), it does help to get buyin from the entire
>>>> team. If we don't have further objections (which I hope we don't) we
>>>> could just summarily adopt the definition that the meeting
>>>> participants came up with today.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks & regards. =ppy
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 23, 2008 10:08 PM EST, Lee Feigenbaum <lee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > > wrote:
>>>>> Peter Yim wrote Jan 23, 2008 12:02 PM PST:
>>>>>>> In particular, were made an attempt (and came close) to adopting
>>>>>>> a definition for "ontology repository" (possibly even "ontology
>>>>>>> registry"), but decided to put this up for asynchronous discussion
>>>>>>> deliberation due to time constraints.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ref.
>>>>>>http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2008_01_23#nid17US
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We were close ... (and have got to):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "An ontology repository is a facility where ontologies and related
>>>>>> information artifacts can be stored, retrieved and managed."
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Peter,
>>>>>
>>>>> I find this definition perfectly acceptable.
>>>>
>>>>>> Let's open this up for discussion and then put it to a vote after 7
>>>>>> calendar days (from the time-stamp of this message).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Feel free to attempt defining "ontology registry" or "registry" too.
>>>>>> If we are getting close, we'll adopt that as well.
>>>>
>>>>> While I found the discussion today quite interesting, I'm not sure
>>>>> how
>>>>> important it is to our going forward to define registry or ontology
>>>>> registry itself. I think there was a consensus understanding in
>>>>> general
>>>>> of the distinction between a repository and a registry -- if we
>>>>> agree on
>>>>> a definition for a repository (which is our end goal, if I understand
>>>>> the project correctly :-), then perhaps we do not need to belabor a
>>>>> definition of ontology registry as well?
>>>>>
>>>>> Lee
>>>>
>>>> [ppy] I concur, Lee. In fact, I was hoping we would have come to
>>>> closure on this at the call today (but unfortunately, we did not.)
>>>>
>>>> Since we only had 12 people on the call (out of the 38 that are
>>>> subscribed to the list), it does help to get buyin from the entire
>>>> team. If we don't have further objections (which I hope we don't) we
>>>> could just summarily adopt the definition that the meeting
>>>> participants came up with today.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks & regards. =ppy
>>>> --
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