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Re: [oor-forum] Defining "Ontology Repository" (maybe "Ontology Registry

To: Luis Bermudez <bermudez@xxxxxxxx>
Cc: OpenOntologyRepository-discussion <oor-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: Pat Hayes <phayes@xxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 12:22:33 -0600
Message-id: <p06230903c3be8796a2e2@[10.100.0.38]>
At 12:04 PM -0500 1/24/08, Luis Bermudez wrote:
>Hi Pat,
>
>The web analogy is good. If we are assuming the web to be an 
>ontology repository, then the definition :"An ontology repository is 
>a facility where ontologies and relate information artifacts can be 
>stored, retrieved and managed." is describing the web in the context 
>of ontologies.    (01)

Well, is that OK with everyone? I am quite happy with it, but I have 
a sense that some members would not be, and might wish to restrict 
the definition in some way (??)    (02)

>
>facility = web
>stored in the correspondent web site
>retrieved = http request via invoking URIs
>Managed by owners in there own website
>
>I see that it will be useful to ask a registry about all the 
>ontologies (or graphs) that meet a certain condition. Currently I 
>could do some tricks with Google, but I think is not what we want, 
>if not, we all ready have a registry in place.    (03)

Quite :-)    (04)

Pat    (05)

>  Then the reaming part of the definition "information artifacts and 
>the relations" is what we need to concentrate on.
>
>
>
>- Luis
>
>___
>Luis Bermudez Ph.D.
>Coastal Research Technical Manager
>Southeastern Universities Research Association (SURA)
>bermudez@xxxxxxxx - Office: (202) 408-8211  Mobile: (267) 481-4939
>1201 New York Ave. NW Suite 430, Washington DC 20005
>
>On Jan 24, 2008, at 11:33 AM, Pat Hayes wrote:
>
>>At 8:14 AM -0500 1/24/08, Luis Bermudez wrote:
>>>Hi Peter, et. al.
>>>
>>>sorry I missed the call..
>>>
>>>To complement.. ISO 19135:2005 defines "specifies procedures to be
>>>followed in establishing, maintaining and publishing registers of
>>>unique, unambiguous and permanent identifier" It contains definitions,
>>>such as:
>>
>>OK, interpreting this in Web terms:
>>>
>>>registration:
>>>assignment of a permanent, unique, and unambiguous identifier to an item
>>
>>A URI unambiguously identifies a SWeb ontology and provides a way 
>>to access it
>>
>>>
>>>register:
>>>set of files containing identifiers assigned to items with
>>>descriptions of the associated items
>>
>>The use of "files" is archaic now. Ignoring that, a list of URIs as 
>>hyperlinks in an HTML document would seem to satisfy this.
>>
>>>
>>>registry:
>>>information system on which a register is maintained
>>
>>That is the Web  itself; or if you prefer, a particular website 
>>such as http://www.daml.org/ontologies/
>>
>>>
>>>register owner:
>>>organization that establishes a register
>>
>>The owner of the website.
>>>
>>>register manager:
>>>organization to which management of a register has been delegated by
>>>the register owner
>>
>>yadda yadda.
>>
>>>..
>>>
>>>
>>>One of the issues is identifying the item being register:
>>>1) A resource
>>>2) A triple
>>>3) A graph
>>>4) An ontology
>>>5) ???
>>>
>>>So, "An ontology repository is a facility where ontologies and relate
>>>information artifacts can be stored, retrieved and managed.", in ISO
>>>words will be:
>>>
>>>An ontology repository is an ontology registry or information system
>>>on which a register of ontologies is maintained.
>>
>>Like many ISO definitions, this seems to be completely vacuous, or 
>>possibly wrong. (A repository is a registry?? Surely not.)
>>
>>Pat
>>
>>>
>>>- Luis
>>>
>>>
>>>___
>>>Luis Bermudez Ph.D.
>>>Coastal Research Technical Manager
>>>Southeastern Universities Research Association (SURA)
>>>bermudez@xxxxxxxx - Office: (202) 408-8211  Mobile: (267) 481-4939
>>>1201 New York Ave. NW Suite 430, Washington DC 20005
>>>
>>>On Jan 23, 2008, at 11:13 PM, Peter Yim wrote:
>>>
>>>>  I concur, Lee. In fact, I was hoping we would have come to closure on
>>>>  this at the call today (but unfortunately, we did not.)
>>>>
>>>>  Since we only had 12 people on the call (out of the 38 that are
>>>>  subscribed to the list), it does help to get buyin from the entire
>>>>  team. If we don't have further objections (which I hope we don't) we
>>>>  could just summarily adopt the definition that the meeting
>>>>  participants came up with today.
>>>>
>>>>  Thanks & regards.  =ppy
>>>>  --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On Jan 23, 2008 10:08 PM EST, Lee Feigenbaum <lee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>  > > wrote:
>>>>>  Peter Yim wrote Jan 23, 2008 12:02 PM PST:
>>>>>>>  In particular, were made an attempt (and came close) to adopting
>>>>>>>  a  definition for "ontology repository" (possibly even "ontology
>>>>>>>  registry"), but decided to put this up for asynchronous discussion
>>>>>>>  deliberation due to time constraints.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Ref. 
>>>>>>http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2008_01_23#nid17US
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  We were close ... (and have got to):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  "An ontology repository is a facility where ontologies and related
>>>>>>  information artifacts can be stored, retrieved and managed."
>>>>
>>>>>  Hi Peter,
>>>>>
>>>>>  I find this definition perfectly acceptable.
>>>>
>>>>>>  Let's open this up for discussion and then put it to a vote after 7
>>>>>>  calendar days (from the time-stamp of this message).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Feel free to attempt defining "ontology registry" or "registry" too.
>>>>>>  If we are getting close, we'll adopt that as well.
>>>>
>>>>>  While I found the discussion today quite interesting, I'm not sure
>>>>>  how
>>>>>  important it is to our going forward to define registry or ontology
>>>>>  registry itself. I think there was a consensus understanding in
>>>>>  general
>>>>>  of the distinction between a repository and a registry -- if we
>>>>>  agree on
>>>>>  a definition for a repository (which is our end goal, if I understand
>>>>>  the project correctly :-), then perhaps we do not need to belabor a
>>>>>  definition of ontology registry as well?
>>>>>
>>>>>  Lee
>>>>
>>>>  [ppy]  I concur, Lee. In fact, I was hoping we would have come to
>>>>  closure on this at the call today (but unfortunately, we did not.)
>>>>
>>>>  Since we only had 12 people on the call (out of the 38 that are
>>>>  subscribed to the list), it does help to get buyin from the entire
>>>>  team. If we don't have further objections (which I hope we don't) we
>>>>  could just summarily adopt the definition that the meeting
>>>>  participants came up with today.
>>>>
>>>>  Thanks & regards.  =ppy
>>>>  --
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