Hi Pat, (01)
The web analogy is good. If we are assuming the web to be an ontology
repository, then the definition :"An ontology repository is a facility
where ontologies and relate information artifacts can be stored,
retrieved and managed." is describing the web in the context of
ontologies. (02)
facility = web
stored in the correspondent web site
retrieved = http request via invoking URIs
Managed by owners in there own website (03)
I see that it will be useful to ask a registry about all the
ontologies (or graphs) that meet a certain condition. Currently I
could do some tricks with Google, but I think is not what we want, if
not, we all ready have a registry in place. Then the reaming part of
the definition "information artifacts and the relations" is what we
need to concentrate on. (04)
- Luis (05)
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On Jan 24, 2008, at 11:33 AM, Pat Hayes wrote: (07)
> At 8:14 AM -0500 1/24/08, Luis Bermudez wrote:
>> Hi Peter, et. al.
>>
>> sorry I missed the call..
>>
>> To complement.. ISO 19135:2005 defines "specifies procedures to be
>> followed in establishing, maintaining and publishing registers of
>> unique, unambiguous and permanent identifier" It contains
>> definitions,
>> such as:
>
> OK, interpreting this in Web terms:
>>
>> registration:
>> assignment of a permanent, unique, and unambiguous identifier to an
>> item
>
> A URI unambiguously identifies a SWeb ontology and provides a way to
> access it
>
>>
>> register:
>> set of files containing identifiers assigned to items with
>> descriptions of the associated items
>
> The use of "files" is archaic now. Ignoring that, a list of URIs as
> hyperlinks in an HTML document would seem to satisfy this.
>
>>
>> registry:
>> information system on which a register is maintained
>
> That is the Web itself; or if you prefer, a particular website such
> as http://www.daml.org/ontologies/
>
>>
>> register owner:
>> organization that establishes a register
>
> The owner of the website.
>>
>> register manager:
>> organization to which management of a register has been delegated by
>> the register owner
>
> yadda yadda.
>
>> ..
>>
>>
>> One of the issues is identifying the item being register:
>> 1) A resource
>> 2) A triple
>> 3) A graph
>> 4) An ontology
>> 5) ???
>>
>> So, "An ontology repository is a facility where ontologies and relate
>> information artifacts can be stored, retrieved and managed.", in ISO
>> words will be:
>>
>> An ontology repository is an ontology registry or information system
>> on which a register of ontologies is maintained.
>
> Like many ISO definitions, this seems to be completely vacuous, or
> possibly wrong. (A repository is a registry?? Surely not.)
>
> Pat
>
>>
>> - Luis
>>
>>
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>> Coastal Research Technical Manager
>> Southeastern Universities Research Association (SURA)
>> bermudez@xxxxxxxx - Office: (202) 408-8211 Mobile: (267) 481-4939
>> 1201 New York Ave. NW Suite 430, Washington DC 20005
>>
>> On Jan 23, 2008, at 11:13 PM, Peter Yim wrote:
>>
>> > I concur, Lee. In fact, I was hoping we would have come to
>> closure on
>> > this at the call today (but unfortunately, we did not.)
>> >
>> > Since we only had 12 people on the call (out of the 38 that are
>> > subscribed to the list), it does help to get buyin from the entire
>> > team. If we don't have further objections (which I hope we don't)
>> we
>> > could just summarily adopt the definition that the meeting
>> > participants came up with today.
>> >
>> > Thanks & regards. =ppy
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> > On Jan 23, 2008 10:08 PM EST, Lee Feigenbaum <lee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > > wrote:
>> >> Peter Yim wrote Jan 23, 2008 12:02 PM PST:
>> >>>> In particular, were made an attempt (and came close) to adopting
>> >>>> a definition for "ontology repository" (possibly even "ontology
>> >>>> registry"), but decided to put this up for asynchronous
>> discussion
>> >>>> deliberation due to time constraints.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ref.
>http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2008_01_23#nid17US
>> >>>
>> >>> We were close ... (and have got to):
>> >>>
>> >>> "An ontology repository is a facility where ontologies and
>> related
>> >>> information artifacts can be stored, retrieved and managed."
>> >
>> >> Hi Peter,
>> >>
>> >> I find this definition perfectly acceptable.
>> >
>> >>> Let's open this up for discussion and then put it to a vote
>> after 7
>> >>> calendar days (from the time-stamp of this message).
>> >>>
>> >>> Feel free to attempt defining "ontology registry" or "registry"
>> too.
>> >>> If we are getting close, we'll adopt that as well.
>> >
>> >> While I found the discussion today quite interesting, I'm not sure
>> >> how
>> >> important it is to our going forward to define registry or
>> ontology
>> >> registry itself. I think there was a consensus understanding in
>> >> general
>> >> of the distinction between a repository and a registry -- if we
>> >> agree on
>> >> a definition for a repository (which is our end goal, if I
>> understand
>> >> the project correctly :-), then perhaps we do not need to
>> belabor a
>> >> definition of ontology registry as well?
>> >>
>> >> Lee
>> >
>> > [ppy] I concur, Lee. In fact, I was hoping we would have come to
>> > closure on this at the call today (but unfortunately, we did not.)
>> >
>> > Since we only had 12 people on the call (out of the 38 that are
>> > subscribed to the list), it does help to get buyin from the entire
>> > team. If we don't have further objections (which I hope we don't)
>> we
>> > could just summarily adopt the definition that the meeting
>> > participants came up with today.
>> >
>> > Thanks & regards. =ppy
>> > --
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