On 28/04/2011 5:10 PM, Peter Yim wrote:
> Ron& All,
>
> Point well taken ... the same argument can be made (for some audience)
> to the effect that the inclusion of other sections indicating the
> maturing of (the science and technology of) Ontology to result in
> people who are funding strategic initiatives to be turned off just as
> well.
>
> The point is (as discussed during the Summit Symposium ... and
> documented in the Communique) this is not a document to "Make the
> Case" for Ontology ... it is, rather, a resource for those of us in
> the domain, that we may find (probably different sections, under
> different situations) useful in "helping us make the case."
In that case I am not sure where "endorsing it officially" fits in. (01)
I certainly want to support those who have put in so much effort to
organize the latest thinking about the value of ontology. (02)
I do have trouble endorsing the points in that last section. (03)
Ron
> Regards. =ppy
>
> p.s. btw ... Azamat& All, the Communique is now published. The
> solicitation is on for endorsements now; the call for input and
> participation to help craft the document ([1], [2]& [3]) has come and
> gone.
> [1] http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2011_04_07
> [2] http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2011_04_14
> [3]
>http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2011_Symposium#nid2QX5
> --
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Ron Wheeler
> <rwheeler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> This whole section should be removed from the communique.
>> The points are contentious and likely to result in people who have funding
>> control being turned off
>>
>> The communique is supposed to represent the thoughts of the collective and
>> throwing in individual observations is probably not a good thing.
>>
>> Point 1:
>> No one wants to invest in a technology that is a decade or 2 from being
>> relevant. This is not likely even true.
>> Point 2:
>> Who cares what benefits machines get.
>> Point 3:
>> Why start a war with the guys that control the IT infrastructure? This
>> statement is a highly contentious generalization and probably not defensible
>> and is only going to piss off the people with whom we need to cooperate in
>> order to get anything done.
>> It will be used as evidence that the group has no understanding of IT and
>> business.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> Ontology is a new paradigm. (2T0D)
>>
>> We believe that a new paradigm is emerging that will take a decade or two to
>> become mainstream. This is illustrated by the following quotes from the
>> summit participants. (2T0E)
>>
>> "Ontology does for machines what the World Wide Web did for people."
>> (2T0F)
>>
>> "Ontology promises to be the driver for the next paradigm shift. If you
>> think personal computing, and the Internet have been disruptive, wait and
>> see what Ontology can bring about." (2T0G)
>>
>> "Everything in IT up till now has been about technology first and business a
>> distant second. But semantic and ontological technology are different -
>> there are explicitly, fluidly and directly about the core of our business -
>> which is the work of our business. No other technology has ever really been
>> primarily about the work of business." (2T0H)
>
>> On 28/04/2011 11:36 AM, AzamatAbdoullaev wrote:
>>
>> "So please, everyone, read over the Communique, and if you agree with it,
>> please endorse it."
>>
>>
>> It looks we have here a complete endorsment campaign :-).
>> Trusting that the Communique should have its maximum supporters, i asked
>> Steve of the following:
>> "Steve,
>> Somehow i missed its creation (and possibly many others).
>> Just wonder if its key theses are cast-iron, and the content could be only
>> endorsed.
>> I am ready to support all the good works done, but the Communique could be
>> bettered in regard of its content and political publicity."
>> The answer is still pending...
>> Thanks
>> Azamat Abdoullaev
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Obrst, Leo J.
>> To: Ontology Summit 2011 discussion
>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 5:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Thanks to all for a very successful Ontology
>> Summit 2011 Symposium! [AND Endorse the Communique, Please!]
>>
>> Yes, indeed, Michael! In fact, in the past many of our Communique endorsers
>> could not participate in the Symposium, and some not in the Summit. But they
>> read the Communique and agreed to endorse.
>>
>>
>>
>> So please, everyone, read over the Communique, and if you agree with it,
>> please endorse it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks much,
>>
>> Leo
>>
>>
>>
>> _____________________________________________
>>
>> Dr. Leo Obrst The MITRE Corporation, Information Semantics
>>
>> lobrst@xxxxxxxxx Information Discovery& Understanding, Command&
>> Control Center
>>
>> Voice: 703-983-6770 7515 Colshire Drive, M/S H305
>>
>> Fax: 703-983-1379 McLean, VA 22102-7508, USA
>
>> From: ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael F
>> Uschold
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 10:42 PM
>> To: Ontology Summit 2011 discussion
>> Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Thanks to all for a very successful Ontology
>> Summit 2011 Symposium! [AND Endorse the Communique, Please!]
>>
>>
>>
>> Leo,
>>
>>
>>
>> Can someone endorse the communique if they had nothing to do with it, but
>> they see and agree with it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael
>> --
>> Michael Uschold, PhD
>> Senior Ontology Consultant, Semantic Arts
>>
>> LinkedIn: http://tr.im/limfu
>> Skype, Twitter: UscholdM
>
>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Obrst, Leo J.<lobrst@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>>
>>
>> May we suggest to you all that you visit the communiqué and then register
>> your endorsement? This includes all the editors, track champions,
>> contributors over the past 3 months, and participants in the symposium, and
>> your bases.
>>
>>
>>
>> See the Communique at:
>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2011_Communique.
>>
>>
>>
>> Express your endorsement by please emailing<peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> with the
>> statement "I endorse the Ontology Summit 2011 Communiqué (v1.0)" to confirm
>> your endorsement.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Leo
>>
>> _____________________________________________
>>
>> Dr. Leo Obrst The MITRE Corporation, Information Semantics
>>
>> lobrst@xxxxxxxxx Information Discovery& Understanding, Command&
>> Control Center
>>
>> Voice: 703-983-6770 7515 Colshire Drive, M/S H305
>>
>> Fax: 703-983-1379 McLean, VA 22102-7508, USA
>
>> From: ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Obrst, Leo J.
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 4:29 PM
>> To: Ontology Summit 2011 discussion (ontology-summit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
>> Subject: [ontology-summit] Thanks to all for a very successful Ontology
>> Summit 2011 Symposium!
>>
>>
>>
>> All,
>>
>>
>>
>> Ram and I would like to thank everyone who contributed to making the
>> Ontology Summit 2011 Symposium such a great success this year.
>>
>>
>>
>> 1) Thanks to the Lead Editors of the Communique (which is now available and
>> ready to be endorsed by those who were not physically present at NIST
>> yesterday) and the co-champions of individual Tracks.
>>
>>
>>
>> Lead Editors of the Communique: MichaelUschold, JohnBateman, MillsDavis,
>> JohnSowa.
>>
>>
>>
>> Co-Champions of the Tracks:
>>
>> Track 1 Ontology Usage Framework: MichaelGruninger, MichaelUschold,
>> NicolaGuarino
>>
>> Track 2: Applications and Case Studies: MillsDavis, MikeBennett
>>
>> Track 3: Value Metrics, Value Models and the Value Proposition:
>> ToddSchneider, RexBrooks
>>
>> Track 4: Strategies for "Making the Case": MatthewWest, PeterYim
>>
>> Track 5: Grand Challenges: RamSriram, ErnieLucier, AldenDima.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2) Thanks to our excellent panelists: GeorgeStrawn, GeorgeThomas,
>> DennisWisnosky, BillAndersen, MichaelGruninger, NicolaGuarino.
>>
>>
>>
>> 3) Thanks also to the General Chairs: NicolaGuarino and SteveRay.
>>
>>
>>
>> 4) Thanks also to Ontolog/CIM3 infrastructure support: PeterYim.
>>
>>
>>
>> 5) Thanks to NIST management, and NIST on-site and behind-the-scenes
>> administration and facilities support: CitaFurlani, Mark Carlisle, and Janet
>> Madison.
>>
>>
>>
>> 6) Thanks to our post-session contributors and organizers: DougSkuce,
>> JohnSowa.
>>
>>
>>
>> 7) Thanks to all of our Ontology Summit 2011 contributors and Ontology
>> Summit 2011 Symposium participants: you know who you are, and so do we.
>>
>>
>>
>> 8) Finally, thanks to all who we might have inadvertently missed thanking
>> above.
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter will shortly be posting links to the updated Communique, the proposed
>> Ontology Summit 2011 Post-Mortem telecon, and other relevant links.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Ram and Leo
>
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