Re: [ontology-summit] Thanks to all for a very successful Ontology Summi

[Michael F Uschold <uschold@xxxxxxxxx>]

Ron,

I think your points are excellent ones - mainly relevant to the many people who are not in the primary target audience (as Peter points out).  While Peter's comment is true, the fact remains that a lot of people not in the target audience WILL read this document, and your points are valid for those people.

It is unfortunate we did not have your feedback  earlier, I probably would have voted to take it out of the document, for the reasons you state.  It can cause harm, and while the quotes are intersting and maybe inspirint to the target audience of people trying to make the case for ontology, I don't think they necessarily help  them do that, hence there would be no loss by removing the paragraph.

As far as endorsing the communique, I'm concerned that you may be throwing out the baby with the bathwater.    For me, endorsing the document does not mean I agree with each of the individual quotes.  The quotes are individual quotes whose purpose is to give a range  of opinions consider someone making the case can consider using.   

If you feel comfortable with this interpretation, I hope you decide to ensdorse it.

Michael 

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 11:54 PM, Ron Wheeler <rwheeler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 28/04/2011 5:10 PM, Peter Yim wrote:
> Ron&  All,
>
> Point well taken ... the same argument can be made (for some audience)
> to the effect that the inclusion of other sections indicating the
> maturing of (the science and technology of) Ontology to result in
> people who are funding strategic initiatives to be turned off just as
> well.
>
> The point is (as discussed during the Summit Symposium ... and
> documented in the Communique) this is not a document to "Make the
> Case" for Ontology ... it is, rather, a resource for those of us in
> the domain, that we may find (probably different sections, under
> different situations) useful in "helping us make the case."

In that case I am not sure where "endorsing it officially" fits in.

I certainly want to support those who have put in so much effort to
organize the latest thinking about the value of ontology.

I do have trouble endorsing the points in that last section.

Ron

> Regards.  =ppy
>
> p.s.  btw ... Azamat&  All,  the Communique is now published. The
> solicitation is on for endorsements now; the call for input and
> participation to help craft the document ([1], [2]&  [3]) has come and
> gone.
>   [1]  http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2011_04_07
>   [2]  http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2011_04_14
>   [3]  http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2011_Symposium#nid2QX5
> --
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Ron Wheeler
> <rwheeler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>  wrote:
>> This whole section should be removed from the communique.
>> The points are contentious and likely to result in people who have funding
>> control being turned off
>>
>> The communique is supposed to represent the thoughts of the collective and
>> throwing in individual observations is probably not a good thing.
>>
>> Point 1:
>> No one wants to invest in a technology that is a decade or 2 from being
>> relevant. This is not likely even true.
>> Point 2:
>> Who cares what benefits machines get.
>> Point 3:
>> Why start a war with the guys that control the IT infrastructure? This
>> statement is a highly contentious generalization and probably not defensible
>> and is only going to piss off the people with whom we need to cooperate in
>> order to get anything done.
>> It will be used as evidence that the group has no understanding of IT and
>> business.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> Ontology is a new paradigm.    (2T0D)
>>
>> We believe that a new paradigm is emerging that will take a decade or two to
>> become mainstream. This is illustrated by the following quotes from the
>> summit participants.    (2T0E)
>>
>> "Ontology does for machines what the World Wide Web did for people."
>> (2T0F)
>>
>> "Ontology promises to be the driver for the next paradigm shift. If you
>> think personal computing, and the Internet have been disruptive, wait and
>> see what Ontology can bring about."    (2T0G)
>>
>> "Everything in IT up till now has been about technology first and business a
>> distant second. But semantic and ontological technology are different -
>> there are explicitly, fluidly and directly about the core of our business -
>> which is the work of our business. No other technology has ever really been
>> primarily about the work of business."    (2T0H)
>
>> On 28/04/2011 11:36 AM, AzamatAbdoullaev wrote:
>>
>> "So please, everyone, read over the Communique, and if you agree with it,
>> please endorse it."
>>
>>
>> It looks we have here a complete endorsment campaign :-).
>> Trusting that the Communique should have its maximum supporters, i asked
>> Steve of the following:
>> "Steve,
>> Somehow i missed its creation (and possibly many others).
>> Just wonder if its key theses are  cast-iron, and the content could be only
>> endorsed.
>> I am ready to support all the good works done, but the Communique could be
>> bettered in regard of its content and political publicity."
>> The answer is still pending...
>> Thanks
>> Azamat Abdoullaev
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Obrst, Leo J.
>> To: Ontology Summit 2011 discussion
>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 5:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Thanks to all for a very successful Ontology
>> Summit 2011 Symposium! [AND Endorse the Communique, Please!]
>>
>> Yes, indeed, Michael! In fact, in the past many of our Communique endorsers
>> could not participate in the Symposium, and some not in the Summit. But they
>> read the Communique and agreed to endorse.
>>
>>
>>
>> So please, everyone, read over the Communique, and if you agree with it,
>> please endorse it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks much,
>>
>> Leo
>>
>>
>>
>> _____________________________________________
>>
>> Dr. Leo Obrst        The MITRE Corporation, Information Semantics
>>
>> lobrst@xxxxxxxxx     Information Discovery&  Understanding, Command&
>> Control Center
>>
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>
>> From: ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael F
>> Uschold
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 10:42 PM
>> To: Ontology Summit 2011 discussion
>> Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Thanks to all for a very successful Ontology
>> Summit 2011 Symposium! [AND Endorse the Communique, Please!]
>>
>>
>>
>> Leo,
>>
>>
>>
>> Can someone endorse the communique if they had nothing to do with it, but
>> they see and agree with it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael
>> --
>> Michael Uschold, PhD
>>     Senior Ontology Consultant, Semantic Arts
>>
>>     LinkedIn: http://tr.im/limfu
>>     Skype, Twitter: UscholdM
>
>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Obrst, Leo J.<lobrst@xxxxxxxxx>  wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>>
>>
>> May we suggest to you all that you visit the communiqué and then register
>> your endorsement? This includes all the editors, track champions,
>> contributors over the past 3 months, and participants in the symposium, and
>> your bases.
>>
>>
>>
>> See the Communique at:
>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2011_Communique.
>>
>>
>>
>> Express your endorsement by please emailing<peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>  with the
>> statement "I endorse the Ontology Summit 2011 Communiqué (v1.0)" to confirm
>> your endorsement.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Leo
>>
>> _____________________________________________
>>
>> Dr. Leo Obrst        The MITRE Corporation, Information Semantics
>>
>> lobrst@xxxxxxxxx     Information Discovery&  Understanding, Command&
>> Control Center
>>
>> Voice: 703-983-6770  7515 Colshire Drive, M/S H305
>>
>> Fax: 703-983-1379    McLean, VA 22102-7508, USA
>
>> From: ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Obrst, Leo J.
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 4:29 PM
>> To: Ontology Summit 2011 discussion (ontology-summit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
>> Subject: [ontology-summit] Thanks to all for a very successful Ontology
>> Summit 2011 Symposium!
>>
>>
>>
>> All,
>>
>>
>>
>> Ram and I would like to thank everyone who contributed to making the
>> Ontology Summit 2011 Symposium such a great success this year.
>>
>>
>>
>> 1) Thanks to the Lead Editors of the Communique (which is now available and
>> ready to be endorsed by those who were not physically present at NIST
>> yesterday) and the co-champions of individual Tracks.
>>
>>
>>
>> Lead Editors of the Communique:  MichaelUschold, JohnBateman, MillsDavis,
>> JohnSowa.
>>
>>
>>
>> Co-Champions of the Tracks:
>>
>> Track 1 Ontology Usage Framework: MichaelGruninger, MichaelUschold,
>> NicolaGuarino
>>
>> Track 2: Applications and Case Studies: MillsDavis, MikeBennett
>>
>> Track 3: Value Metrics, Value Models and the Value Proposition:
>> ToddSchneider, RexBrooks
>>
>> Track 4: Strategies for "Making the Case": MatthewWest, PeterYim
>>
>> Track 5: Grand Challenges: RamSriram, ErnieLucier, AldenDima.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2) Thanks to our excellent panelists: GeorgeStrawn, GeorgeThomas,
>> DennisWisnosky, BillAndersen, MichaelGruninger, NicolaGuarino.
>>
>>
>>
>> 3) Thanks also to the General Chairs: NicolaGuarino and SteveRay.
>>
>>
>>
>> 4) Thanks also to Ontolog/CIM3 infrastructure support: PeterYim.
>>
>>
>>
>> 5) Thanks to NIST management, and NIST on-site and behind-the-scenes
>> administration and facilities support: CitaFurlani, Mark Carlisle, and Janet
>> Madison.
>>
>>
>>
>> 6) Thanks to our post-session contributors and organizers: DougSkuce,
>> JohnSowa.
>>
>>
>>
>> 7) Thanks to all of our Ontology Summit 2011 contributors and Ontology
>> Summit 2011 Symposium participants: you know who you are, and so do we.
>>
>>
>>
>> 8) Finally, thanks to all who we might have inadvertently missed thanking
>> above.
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter will shortly be posting links to the updated Communique, the proposed
>> Ontology Summit 2011 Post-Mortem telecon, and other relevant links.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Ram and Leo
>
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