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Re: [ontolog-forum] Requesting Opinions on the Benefits of Predicates as

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From: Frank Guerino <Frank.Guerino@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 06:58:08 -0400
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Hi Phil,

Thanks for the clarification.  If you don't mind, I have a follow-up question on the example you provided…

You wrote: "another example could be "X says (Y causes Z)", i.e. a predicate C could link two nodes A and B, where A or B may be a predicate, though not necessarily both."

In this example, my interpretation is that…
  1. X, Y, and Z are atomic Nodes
  2. "says" and "causes" are atomic Predicates
  3. (Y causes Z) is a Relationship statement
In the statement: "X says (Y causes Z)", is it really that a Predicate ("says") is linking to another Predicate OR is it that the second Predicate ("says") is linking a Node ("X") to an entire and very unique Relationship statement ("Y causes Z")?

My Best,

Frank
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From: Philip Jackson <philipcjacksonjr@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thursday, June 12, 2014 6:06 PM
To: Frank Guerino <Frank.Guerino@xxxxxxxxx>, "ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Requesting Opinions on the Benefits of Predicates as Nodes

Hi Frank,
 
I asked the question in response to Jack Park's email, in which he suggested a predicate instance could be a verb relating a subject and object, e.g. "X causes Y".  If this can be a first-class entity then it seems another example could be "X says (Y causes Z)", i.e. a predicate C could link two nodes A and B, where A or B may be a predicate, though not necessarily both.
 
Separately, Doug Foxvog and Simon Spero gave examples where both A and B are predicates, linked by a predicate C.
 
However, I was just asking a question, and suggesting this could be useful, not claiming to have a proof of what is or should be supported in the IF4IT standard.
 
Best,
 
Phil


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