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Re: [ontolog-forum] physical context and mental context

To: rhm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Richard H. McCullough" <rhmccullough@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, KR-language <kr-language@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Richard S. Latimer" <rslatimer@xxxxxxx>
From: Pat Hayes <phayes@xxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2014 01:05:52 -0500
Message-id: <14133875-705C-40EA-AA6E-AE6BE1CDE9EC@xxxxxxx>

On Apr 12, 2014, at 11:00 PM, Richard H. McCullough <rhmccullough@xxxxxxxxx> 
wrote:    (01)

> Pat
> I couldn't find your email on Outlook.com,
> so I copied this from Ontolog Forum archives.
> 
> &&&&& see remarks below
> 
> 
> On Apr 12, 2014, at 2:34 PM, Richard H. McCullough <rhmccullough@xxxxxxxxx> 
> wrote:    
> (01)
> 
> 
> 
> > Pat, you said:
> >
>  I have no idea what I would be disagreeing with (or not).
> 
> >
>  You still have not given your notation any semantics, 
> 
> >
>  so none of these displayed lines convey any content. 
> 
> >
>  I say: I've got it !
> 
> >
>  Every mKR proposition has an English translation.
> 
> >
>  The English translation is the meaning of the mKR proposition.    (02)
> 
> 
> 
> OK, then please save me from the mKR and just tell me the English sentences 
> that they translate to.    
> (03)
> 
> &&&&& Are you sure you want all English?    (02)

You said that the English *is the meaning* of the mKR. This means that the 
English sentences and the mKR have *exactly the same meaning*. And I know how 
to read English, so yes, I want all English.    (03)

> &&&&& I created the hierarchy group because it's so much easier to read
> &&&&& than the English (and mKR) equivalent propositions.    (04)

It's only easier to read if one knows how to read it. You have never explained 
to me how I should read it.     (05)

> &&&&& But if you want it, I'll give it to you. Let me know.
> 
>  
> If I find any of those sentences to be ambiguous., should I conclude that the 
> mKR is ambiguous?     
> (04)
> 
> &&&&& Assuming you want context translations, yes.    (06)

I didn't mention context, and neither did you when you said that the mKR and 
the English translations had the same meaning. So ignore questions of context, 
and just give me the English translations which  have the exact same meaning as 
the mKR.     (07)

Pat    (08)


> &&&&& The whole point of context knowledge is to remove ambiguity.
> &&&&& I can write ambiguous mKR, but I try to avoid it.
> 
>  Pat    (05)
> 
> 
> &&&&& I'll make you an English + hierarchy group translation.
> 
> &&&&& Then I'll translate the hierarchy if you really want it. 
>  
> Dick McCullough 
> Context Knowledge Systems 
> mKR/mKE tutorial    (09)

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