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From: Frank Guerino <Frank.Guerino@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 13:57:37 -0500
Message-id: <CF23D0C7.75A34%Frank.Guerino@xxxxxxxxx>
Sorry, I thought I corrected that.  I would, based on traditional dictionary definitions, define a Grammar to be as a follows…

A Grammar is the set of rules that explain how words and symbols are used in a Language.

Any issues with this?

My Best,

Frank


From: Rich Cooper <rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Friday, February 14, 2014 12:18 PM
To: "'[ontolog-forum] '" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] What the difference re., Data Dictionary, Ontology, and Vocabulary?

Dear Frank,

 

You are still using the word “meaning” wrt a grammar:

 

Grammar is a means of defining how words are used to create meaning, within a Language.

 

It would be more correct to say that a grammar is set of rules that define the sentences which are within the grammar and separate them from those sentences which are not within the grammar. 

 

Meaning has nothing to do with grammar.

 

-Rich

 

Sincerely,

Rich Cooper

EnglishLogicKernel.com

Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com

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From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Frank Guerino
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 3:57 AM
To: [ontolog-forum]
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] What the difference re., Data Dictionary, Ontology, and Vocabulary?

 

Hi Ken,

 

I think Rich Cooper's feedback caused me to go back and do some research.  Along with some minor changes to their definitions, I would flip Syntax and Grammar.  The results would look like:

 

Data Dictionary defines "data" by giving you details about that data element (e.g. Attribute/Field Name, Description, Data Type, Constraints, etc.)

 

A Term is a word that is accompanied by a Definition.

 

Vocabulary is usually a listing or grouping of words that are common a domain of context (usually without definition).

 

Glossary is a more detailed Vocabulary that is tied to a specific and limited Context.  Unlike a Vocabulary that only provides a list or grouping of words or terms that are common to a context, a Glossary provides the long name, short name or acronym, and a description/definition.  It rarely gets into a things like synonyms and antonyms.

 

Dictionary is often used interchangeably with a Glossary but is often considered to handle much more, like getting into phonetics, derivations, etc.

 

Data Model is a representation of how to aggregate and interrelate Data, which is defined by a Data Dictionary.  This includes but is not limited to things like Primary and Foreign Key representations, how to deal with permutations, time, history, and much more.

 

Taxonomy is a categorization of "anything"… Words, Glossaries, Types, etc.  Taxonomies can take on multiple forms, such as lists, hierarchies, interactive facets, etc.

 

Syntax is a set of rules for structuring elements, such as words and symbols to create things like phrases, sentences, and paragraphs.

 

Grammar is a means of defining how words are used to create meaning, within a Language.

 

Language is the inclusion of all of the above.

 

An Ontology is the development of a combination of one or more of all of the above with the intent to facilitate higher order activities, such as communications, translation, learning, understanding, teaching, and making decisions.

 

Note, I also added the definition of "Term", above.  To become even more complete, I believe the above would also have to address things like Words, Phrases, Sentences, Paragraphs, etc.

 

My Best,

 

Frank

 

 

 

From: Ken Laskey <klaskey@xxxxxxxxx>
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Date: Thursday, February 13, 2014 7:46 PM
To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] What the difference re., Data Dictionary, Ontology, and Vocabulary?

 

Frank,

 

Given the comments so far, how would you update your original definitions.  Indeed, on the basis of your definitions, how would you characterize the “thing” we are discussing?

 

Ken

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On Feb 13, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Frank Guerino <Frank.Guerino@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:



Hi Steven,

I'm sure there are things missing from what I presented.  As mentioned,
I'm more than happy to work with the group to improve the definitions and
add anything that might be missing.

My Best,

Frank


On 2/13/14 6:22 PM, "Steve Ray" <steve.ray@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Frank,
                              Seems like we should add to your list:

A conceptual model (that deals with concepts, not words)
A Thesaurus (along the same lines)

?which would then allow me to agree with your definition of an Ontology.


- Steve

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From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Frank Guerino
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:17 PM
To: [ontolog-forum]
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] What the difference re., Data Dictionary,
Ontology, and Vocabulary?

Hello Kingsley,

I cut and paste this from another document I had?

A Data Dictionary defines "data" by giving you details about that data
element (e.g. Attribute/Field Name, Description, Data Type, Constraints,
etc.)

A Vocabulary is usually a listing or grouping of words that are common a
domain of context (usually without definition).

A Glossary is a more detailed Vocabulary that is tied to a specific and
limited Context.  Unlike a Vocabulary that only provides a list or
grouping
of words or terms that are common to a context, a Glossary provides the
long
name, short name or acronym, and a description/definition.  It rarely gets
into a things like synonyms and antonyms.

A Dictionary is often used interchangeably with a Glossary but is often
considered to handle much more, like getting into phonetics, derivations,
etc.

A Data Model is a representation of how to aggregate and interrelate Data,
which is defined by a Data Dictionary.  This includes but is not limited
to
things like Primary and Foreign Key representations, how to deal with
permutations, time, history, and much more.

A Taxonomy is a categorization of "anything"? Words, Glossaries, Types,
etc.
Taxonomies can take on multiple forms, such as lists, hierarchies,
interactive facets, etc.

A Grammar is a means of applying rules to create meaning.

A Syntax is a set of rules for structuring elements, such as words and
symbols within a grammar.

A Language is the inclusion of all of the above.

An Ontology is the development of a combination of one or more of all of
the
above with the intent to facilitate higher order activities, such as
communications, translation, learning, understanding, teaching, and making
decisions.

I hope this helps.

Frank

--
Frank Guerino, Chairman
The International Foundation for Information Technology (IF4IT)
http://www.if4it.com
1.908.294.5191 (M)



On 2/12/14 10:59 AM, "Kingsley Idehen" <kidehen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

All,

Food for thought and discussion:

What characteristics distinguish a Data Dictionary, Ontology, and
Vocabulary?

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