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Re: [ontolog-forum] Webby objects

To: "John F. Sowa" <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, hak@xxxxxxx
From: Pat Hayes <phayes@xxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 22:50:46 -0800
Message-id: <999255D0-83E8-49CE-A96C-69C7301F0D83@xxxxxxx>

On Nov 20, 2012, at 8:22 PM, John F Sowa wrote:    (01)

> PH
>> ... you clearly have an overall vision for the SWeb, a passion for
>> promoting it, and energy to spare. Why then are you haranguing *us*,
>> in *this* forum? We have no influence over SWeb standards.
> Actually, the exercise of writing these notes and discussing them with
> the various people in Ontolog Forum has helped to clarify the ideas.
> PH
>> Why aren't you proposing to the W3C to set up a working group (or
>> better still, setting up the group and then proposing to the W3C that
>> y'all do whatever it is that you think needs to be done)?
> I have no funding or organization to set up a group.      (02)

All you need is some other people who agree with you enough to be willing to 
draft a proposal. The actual process needs volunteer effort, but does not 
require funding. I have never received a dime for the work I have done for the 
W3C.     (03)

To actually join the W3C as a member does require $$, and is usually done by 
companies rather than individuals, but one does not need to be a member in 
order to participate. And if you get enough 'buzz', then other participants who 
are members may want to take part. I for example have always been an "invited 
expert" (there are quite a lot of us) rather than a member. The Chair of a 
group can be an invited expert.     (04)

> I have never
> been a member of the W3C, and I wouldn't know where to start.    (05)

The official story is here in all its gory detail:  
but it all starts with someone persuading the W3C (basically, persuading TimBL, 
but you can enlist others to help you with that) that your topic/goal is worth 
creating an "activity' around. Once that is done, the wheels turn pretty 
smoothly.     (06)

> PH
>> Just writing a W3C "note" (which has no normative content and so can
>> be published fairly freely) would be a way to get things started.
> What is the procedure for doing that?    (07)

I should have said "Working Draft" rather than "note", sorry. Try looking at 
published W3C working drafts and sketching something similar that outlines your 
proposal(s). Then send it to someone who might be sympathetic at the W3C. I can 
give you some likely contacts.     (08)

>  Would anybody actively working
> in the W3C pay attention to such ideas?    (09)

In my experience, the W3C will pay attention to any proposal that looks useful 
and that has some kind of industry backing. They are particularly interested in 
proposals that look like they might solve or alleviate a currently recognized 
problem. (You might need to spend some text saying what the problem is.)    (010)

Pat    (011)

>     (012)

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