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To: "[ontolog-forum] " <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "John F. Sowa" <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx>
From: Pat Hayes <phayes@xxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 13:45:04 -0500
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On Mar 30, 2012, at 10:38 AM, John F. Sowa wrote:    (01)

> Mike,
> 
>> I think the semiotic dimension is an important one and could
>> possibly be given some kind of formal treatment in modeling
>> languages or in models somehow.
> 
> Yes.  More generally, every language is a system of signs, and every
> model is also a system of signs.  Those signs are related to signs
> inside the computer, and all of them have some relationship to reality,
> directly or indirectly.
> 
>> Sometimes people seem to conflate these, or try to interpret ontological
>> or semiotic issues by framing them in terms of meta-levels...
> 
> Metalevels can be important for many purposes, but that is just one kind
> of semiotic relationship.  For more discussion of metalevels and their
> relationship to semiotics, see the following two articles:
> 
>    http://www.jfsowa.com/pubs/laws.htm
>    Laws, Facts, and Contexts
> 
>    http://www.jfsowa.com/pubs/rolelog.pdf
>    The role of logic and ontology in language
> 
> The rolelog.pdf article covers a lot of ground, but Section 2, called
> A Semiotic Foundation for Ontology, is a brief intro to Peirce's
> categories, including some issues about metalevels.
> 
>> Of course OWL already addresses the semiotic dimension by making
>> everything a Thing.
> 
> Actually, the category Thing is just a placeholder for the top of the
> hierarchy.  It maps to a predicate T(x), which is true of everything
> and says nothing.    (02)

True. It does have some utility in OWL, for example in OWL-DL to express that 
something is or is not in the universe of quantification, and as a way to 
express universal quantification (Thing owl:subClass A amounts to saying forall 
x, A(x) )    (03)

> 
> The major problem with OWL is that it cannot represent triadic
> relations,    (04)

Like, for example, owl:hasValue, owl:AllValuesFrom, etc.? (Respectively the 
relation between a class C, a binary relation R and a value V, C(x) iff R(x, 
V); and the relation between a class C, a relation R and a second class D, C(x) 
iff forall y, R(x y) implies D(y). )    (05)

> and its use of dyadic relations is extremely limited.    (06)

? In what way? It does have limited use of the full logical quantifiers, true, 
but that has nothing to do with arity of relationships.     (07)

> Those limitations make it impossible to use OWL for defining or
> even discussing anything related to social and institutional issues.    (08)

Nonsense. OWL has limited expressivity but it is not limited as to its subject 
matter.    (09)

Pat    (010)


> 
> OWL is useful as a tool for exchanging terminologies.  But for
> ontology, using OWL is like putting on blinders that make it
> impossible to see anything that's not in front of your nose.
> 
> John
> 
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