On Tue, July 26, 2011 16:26, AzamatAbdoullaev said:
> Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:50 PM, Doug Foxvog wrote: "The concepts of dark
> matter and dark energy are only useful at a galactic
>> or wider scale of space & periods of time in the millions or billions of
>> years. For 99.9999% of uses of ontologies, they can be ignored". (01)
> It's quite opposite for universal ontology, 99.9999% of uses; for the dark
> matter/energy are samples of intangible substances, potentially infinite
> time and space are samples of infinity and eternity. (02)
According to the theories, dark matter is tangible and affects normal
matter through gravity. For many aspects of a universal ontology, e.g.,
relating to information learned up through the 1970s, dark matter and
dark energy can also be ignored. (03)
-- doug (04)
> With the rest we agree.
> Azamat
>
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>
>> On Tue, July 26, 2011 13:52, AzamatAbdoullaev said:
>>
>>> Re the physical law: the criteria of physical reality or material
>>> existence is having a causal effect (or a feedback effect) upon
>>> physical
>>> things, directly or indirectly. Thus we conclude on the materiality of
>>> physical forces, radiations, magnetic/electric fields, ect. What really
>>> exists as effecting on visible matter or radiation, but can't be
>>> detected directly, is very elusive, like dark matter and dark energy,
>>> today constituting 95% of the universe, and needing new/modified
>>> physical/gravitational laws.
>>
>> The concepts of dark matter and dark energy are only useful at a
>> galactic
>> or wider scale of space & periods of time in the millions or billions of
>> years. For 99.9999% of uses of ontologies, they can be ignored.
>>
>> Note that although the theory of relativity necessitated the
>> modification
>> of Newton's laws of motion and the statement of new laws, Newton's laws
>> remain perfectly valid in the vast majority of cases dealing with
>> movement
>> of physical objects on the Earth.
>>
>> Yes, relativistic physical laws do not predict observations at super-
>> galactic scales. Extending gravitational fields on such scales using
>> the
>> same laws and assuming that supernovae distant in time and space operate
>> identically with nearby comparatively recent ones is inconsistent with
>> recent observations. Earlier, problems with the Big Bang model
>> necessitated a fix in order to allow galaxies to form, so an
>> "inflationary"
>> period was hypothesized in which space expanded at faster than light
>> speeds.
>>
>> It is quite possible that new theories will arise that will account for
>> galactic formation, galactic rotation, and the observed distribution of
>> red shifts with apparent brightness of objects that does not need dark
>> energy, dark matter, and inflation as currently hypothesized.
>>
>> Different ontologies can model the different theories, but for most
>> practical purposes, such ontologies will not be needed.
>>
>>> ...
>>
>>> Azamat
>>
>>
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>>
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