Re: [ontolog-forum] Ontology modules and namespaces

[Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx>]

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Had you considered the possibility that an organization is an event?

its really interesting to look at an organisation like that, actually

but then, pretty much everything else can be seen as an event too, right?

*everything of which there is a knowable beginning and end (as opposed to something infinite, if any)

 

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From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pavithra
Sent: 28 October 2009 18:47
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Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Ontology modules and namespaces

 

 Mathew..

 

 

I have to clarify that "meet up" is an  "event" not an organization !  It is an ongoing event ( cyclic)  and has a psuedo or informal organization or  represent some sort of organization..

 

So to simply, one has to model the  psuedo organization as " meetup group " or something..    and normalize it..  or call  "meet up" an  event!

 

 

Simple solution..

 

Pavithra

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From: Matthew West <dr.matthew.west@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Ontology modules and namespaces
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Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 9:14 AM

Dear Pavritha,

 

 

Hello Mathew and Chris,

 

I think that was a very interesting discussion!   We do have some examples from traditional modeling world.      ( class room kind of examples..)

 

For example,   A Supervisor is an employee himself,  and he has staff ( group of employees ) working for him!  Which creates a  one to many relationship !

 

MW: I’m afraid that really  is only a class-room example. In the real l world, the employees and supervisors come and go, so it is really a many-to-many relationship, and arguably more complex even than that.

 

A meetup of Meetups has similar modeling notations..

 

About your previous slides..  and the exmaples of Table.

 

At a conceptual level ( Ontology)  I would just have a  superclass, a class of "Furniture"

with subclass as  Tables, Chairs, upholstry  and the rest in the list..  and relationships..

 

MW: Upholstery is not a class of furniture. It is only a part of a piece of furniture.

 

As one can see, Class "Furniture" can be generic and standardazised with a set of generic subclasses and generic relationhips..    if one does not include the exceptions, at this level, I would find that acceptable. it can be done at a detail level.. as long as superclass covers all..    However, if one finds  the exceptions or the special types ear;y, then can include as notes with explanation, it would help at a detail level.

 

MW: If there are exceptions, then you have just done something wrong. 

 

At a detail design  level - which is  logical and physical, I would include further details and exceptional or special types etc..    But at a detail level of design, if this step is overlooked, it causes either design flaws or  difficult coding to cover it up.   ( its just bad design..)

 

MW: I’m sorry, I don’t follow this. Specific product models may be subtypes of generic product types.

 

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Regargds,

Pavithra

 

 

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From: Matthew West <dr.matthew.west@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Ontology modules and namespaces
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Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 4:27 AM

Dear Chris,

Thanks for confirming my comments. Nice to know I've learnt something
along the way.

I was intrigued by this:

> That they have powertypes in
> particular is suggestive of full higher-order logic, but again it's
> just a label without a semantics, so there is no way to know.

I have an interest in powertypes too, so could you tell me how
powertypes can make an ontology higher order, and whether it is possible
(and or desirable) to avoid this.

Regards

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