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> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Ontology Project Organization:
> Why not just start it here.
> The web site exists. It is easy to use (relatively). and Peter seems to
> be pretty generous in the use of the space.
> John F. Sowa wrote:
> > Ali and Azamat,
> > AH> Just for posterity -- I don't mean to deprecate the idea of
> > > foundation ontologies. They are very useful. My intuition is
> > > just highly sceptical that a (useful / expressive) unique one
> > > exists. By all means though, in the spirit of scientific
> > > discovery people ought to investigate it.
> > I share your concerns. Any ontology with detailed axioms will
> > be incompatible with many legitimate uses that require different
> > axioms for one application or another. For example, if we put
> > all the well established laws of physics into one giant theory,
> > it would be inconsistent with every branch of engineering, since
> > they all make different approximations for different purposes.
> > On the other hand, if you took the common generalization of
> > all those engineering applications, you would have a theory
> > that contained very few axioms. It would be little more
> > than a systematic terminology plus the various relationships
> > among units of measure for all the physical quantities. Yet
> > that generalization could be very useful for many purposes.
> > For those reasons, I believe that the common generalization
> > of all the foundation ontologies will have very few axioms.
> > It will primarily consist of type-subtype and part-whole
> > relations that are true by definition. Immediately below
> > that level will be several branches for different kinds of
> > specializations. One of the branches would be "pure" physics,
> > which would be too precise and too detailed for most practical
> > applications. Other branches would contain any systems of
> > conventions and approximations that anyone might find useful.
> > AA> Indeed, for last two decades there have been developed
> > > high-class ontology content, both upper levels and domain
> > > ontologies, standing in a pressing need of an integrative
> > > framework. A minus, hope insignificant, a good willing
> > > of all the upper ontology content holders and the project
> > > leaders: CYC, OBO Foundry, DOLCE, West' ISO 15926, NeOn, etc;
> > Please drop the word 'minus'. Any consistent ontology that
> > anyone has ever found useful for any purpose should be in the
> > hierarchy. Many talented people have contributed to those
> > efforts, and their products are being used.
> > Remember that IBM beat Univac primarily because IBM supported
> > a smooth migration path from punch-card methods to modern computers.
> > Any repository for ontologies must accommodate *all* useful versions.
> > It must also show migration paths (generalizations, specializations,
> > and lateral variations) from one useful theory to another by means
> > of the common core.
> > AA> To define the strategic goal of the Project: standard
> > > ontology framework? unified modeling framework? ontology
> > > and semantic standards? semantic interoperability? open
> > > ontology library?
> > All of those are legitimate uses, and they should be supported.
> > The core of the hierarchy should be open and free, but it should
> > contain links to proprietary ontologies of any kind.
> > AA> To establish a legal entity: International Group (Body, Panel)
> > > for Ontology and Semantic Standards (IGOSS) or (IBOSS), including
> > > members, corporate and individual, from USA, EU, and Russia.
> > Something like that will be necessary. But if you bring the
> > big boys in too soon, they will take it over and appoint a
> > committee of their own "experts" to manage it.
> > AA> To establish a special web portal, like wisely done by the
> > > OBO Foundry. I am ready to share a domain taken:
> > >
> > > http://www.standardontology.org
> > That is certainly a good domain name.
> > Since this idea has been developed through ontolog forum, we should
> > continue our association with ontolog forum and continue discussions
> > here. Peter Yim and others have done a lot of hard work to establish
> > this forum and the related activities. That is a great advantage.
> > But I agree that hosting the results of the efforts on a web site
> > with the name standardontology.org would be a very big plus. It
> > would also be useful to establish a non-profit organization with
> > the same (or similar name) that could accept nontaxable donations.
> > But it is also important to get some useful technical material
> > to post on the web site before bringing in large numbers of
> > members -- especially corporate members.
> > John
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