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To: "clynch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <clynch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: Duane Nickull <dnickull@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:03:22 -0700
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Same in Canada if you get married at 14.  Another example is if you decide to leave school and live on your own at age 16.  You immediately inherit most of the rights of an adult except for drinking and voting (have to be 18 for those).

Medically, one might pursue a definition based on physical maturity.  

This really once again shows that a “one size-fits all” approach to defining these sorts of things is not a viable strategy.  It is better to qualify the context of these as “SNOMED (which establishes a scope/context based on understanding requirements of those who adopt it) asserts that adult = ( ‘over 18 years old’ || ‘over 21 years if alcohol consumption is contemplated’ || etc....)

D


On 3/25/09 8:47 AM, "Cecil Lynch" <clynch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

The pregnant woman issue may have something to do with the US centric
generation of SNOMED in that in the US, a pregnant woman, of any age, is
considered to be an emancipated minor and able to make decisions on her
own regarding her care just as an adult could. So if you need a blood
transfusion from serious trauma AND you are 14 AND you are NOT pregnant,
your parents make the decision, but if you ARE pregnant, you have the
right to make that decision on your own, hence acquire some of the legal
rights of an adult.

Cecil Lynch
Joel Bender wrote:
> Jyoti,
>
>
>  
>> I am trying to find an ontology/terminology which models different age
>> groups of a person: infant, teenage, adult etc. I looked at SNOMED-CT,
>> and noticed how a "Person" is categorized by age, but didn't really
>> understand how "age" is associated -- for example, is an 18-year old
>> considered a "pre-teen"?
>>    
>
> The online browsers that I found did not describe any value restrictions
> (like '10 <= pre-teen age < 13', '13 <= teen < 18', 'adult >= 18'), and
> all I could infer out of the hierarchy was that it is a sub-concept of
> 'Person categorized by age/Minor/Childhood age person/Pre-teen'.
>
> I would expect the concepts in this part of the tree to be mutually
> exclusive, but there is nothing that I found that states that explicitly.
>
> It's interesting to note that 'Pregnant woman' is a sub-concept of
> Adult/Woman, but there is no corresponding term in minors.  There are
> however lots of other 'findings' related to pregnancy, and these do not
> seem to be mutually exclusive.
>
> Digging into one of the SNOMED specification file(s), rather than
> relying on some web browsers idea of how to present the content, might
> be revealing.
>
>  
>> I would appreciate your inputs.
>>    
>
> <grumbling>
>      Well, I thought I'd download the SNOMED-CT content and see if
>      there was any more detail.  But after all the pages (clicking on
>      "I agree to the terms...") of license agreements and submitting
>      my contact information for a request for a license to view the
>      contents in all its glory detail...
>
>      It could take 3 business days to get my application approved,
>      and then maybe I can help.
>
>      Humph.
> </grumbling>
>
> If there are files in multiple formats, maybe at least one has more detail.
>
>
> Joel
>
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