Re: [ontolog-forum] meaning and core ontologies

[FERENC KOVACS <f.kovacs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

 

I realise the difference below. All i want to say that the working of the eye and the brains is crucial to our effort to revert to an output that is close to the visual domineering input on our senses. We cannot produce a picture by usng our body to communicate articulate messages, only your voice working in time dimenison can do that.

However both primates and other mammals can think and so can a toddler and a fetus at the upper level of ontology and we switch from eidetic vision and thinking after we have lerant to speak, write etc.

Now that verbally coded information tends to depict pictures as a means of identificationm manly by name giving (labels,headings and titles), whereas messages carry verbs which are the basic identifiers of relations. Those relations are much richer than those used by science at the moment. Meaning is not confined to words, and no word has any meaning in itself, context is part of meanig and context is used as necessary, including the sender and the receiver (with their knowledge).

This is why Chomsky has also realised that syntax is of a second import.

   

Thanks for giving directions

 

Frank
That point is more true of primates than other mammals, since they
live in trees, swinging from branch to branch, and good hand-eye
coordination is a matter of life or death:

> It appears to me that knowledge is a product of the visual and
> mental processing of the details of the world (reality)...

But other senses are also important, and there are aspects of the
world for which sensory aids, such as telescopes, microscopes,
microphones, seismographs, etc., are necessary.

> The point is that you are stuck with the meaning of meaning and
> the association of meaning with words, especially with one word
> allegedly representing a concept.

Words are an important adjunct to imagery.  For an example of
a person who has overcome serious handicaps in language, I suggest
that you read the books by Temple Grandin.  She is an autistic
woman who managed to overcome her handicap to a large extent.
She even earned a PhD in animal husbandry. (Her handicap has
given her a great insight into animal thinking).

For more information, see her web site:

    http://www.templegrandin.com/

Her books and articles (along with other work in psychology and
psycholinguistics) can help give some perspective on how far
thinking without words can go and what language adds.

John Sowa


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