Re: [ontolog-forum] meaning and core ontologies

[FERENC KOVACS <f.kovacs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Thank you, Wacek

 

it is always nice to have some support from other people and to read a Polish name too.

 

Kindest regards,

 

 

Ferenc Kovacs

alias Frank

Genezistan

"Starting all over"

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----- Original Message ----
From: Wacek Kusnierczyk <Waclaw.Marcin.Kusnierczyk@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: [ontolog-forum] <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, 30 July, 2008 11:41:48 AM
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] meaning and core ontologies

ps.  for those who might not know, all the quotes below are easy to get
at by simply querying the ontolog-forum archive for the term 'azamat' in
the field 'sender'.

vQ

Wacek Kusnierczyk wrote:
> Azamat wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Ferenc,
>> 
>> This forum mostly consists of very intelligent and polite people.
>>   
>
> indeed!  and just to support this thesis, recall a few strikingly clear,
> original, deep and enlightening messages posted here by some of the most
> intelligent and polite people (thus not me!):
>
> "The fact is in your short reply you created too much nonsense for a
> learned person <...>I suggested that you were more competent in
> theoretical physics than in ontology. Of course, this is not a ''naive
> physics'', but a real science asking for a real mind able to master the
> real world. If want to show more nonsense, just ask."
>
> "<...> you have to read funny musings on silence in music, etc. It looks
> we need to radically upgrade the level of our discussions to meet the
> requirements of the OntoForum."
>
> "It seems the forum needs not only more professional focusing on
> ontology but some patience to others positions, worldviews, and projects."
>
> "It appears the proper name of this forum is gablog, or how <...> and
> others are going to waste their time."
>
> "I just wonder how somebody might be so ridiculously anserine. The
> thread is worth to be renamed as ''logical goat and sheep, and how
> harmful they are for the cause of ontology''.
>
> "like it or not, you in the irreal place where most things are badly
> perverted. Where some AI debunked formal logicians metamorphosed into
> bad ontologists, where logical drool is presented as the frontier of
> semantics and ontology, where 'reality' is an abusive word, and where
> one chronic self-promoter, having comic incognizance of ontology, will
> be constantly making his logical crap on you, adding insult if you try
> to resist."
>
> "I am surprised to mention these common things to the such high quality
> researcher as you are."
>
> "Don't tax your mind beyond it's limit."
>
> "rather strange that this principal issue in semantics has been
> overlooked by our hyperactive disputant"
>
>
> ... amazingly polite, no?
>
> 
>> So any infelicity can be excused and pardoned, of course, if it is not
>> repeated several times. Since somebody sensible should try avoid
>> such ... convoluted wordings:
>>   
>
>
> "- '''Quantity''' is the state of being much, or the property of a thing
> marked by a magnitude or plurality (number). By its definition, quantity
> is an ontological (general) term [sic] used to refer to any type of
> quantitative properties or attributes of things."
>
> "Since there is no meaning (intension or extension) without context, or
> universe of discourse, possible worlds, circumstances, formally
> presented as the linguistic context of use, or closed context (Boolean
> algebra), theory, or consistent theory, formal (mathematical or logical)
> or factual (historical, social, physical, etc). "
>
> "The UFO is designed as the world knowledge groundwork or unifying
> semantic platform within which could be integrated the particular
> knowledge (sciences) of the physical, biological, mental, and cultural
> worlds, to be encoded as the entity data types and major rules of
> operations in the reasoning systems of high-level intelligence,
> fundamental to the Intelligent World"
>
>
> 
>> It is taxing your mind to read these sorts of messages. For you need
>> to read it again and again, and finally put your best interpretation,
>> having nothing to do with the message.
>>   
>
> "The world is the greatest unbounded but single entity; "
> & "First of all, that there are appearances or phenomena, chaotic,
> unintelligible, and unreal, and laying behind them stable, intelligible
> and real realities."
> & "There are reality and irreality. These traditions are dealing with
> unreality; so they hardly ever can be right."
> & "Repeat again, there is Reality (Being, Existence, the Universe,
> Cosmos) and reality, the World and world."
>
>
> 
>> Still, i think there can be something original in your messages; but
>> it is your duty to send me a well formulated thought.
>>   
>
> indeed.  you were right when you once said, "My message might have been
> too enigmatic."
> it is also tempting to be evil and recall, once again, an opinion about
> your own book posted at amazon's:
>
> "This book is seriously flawed. I could not work out if the author was a
> mathemetician dabbling (very poorly) with philosophy, or a muddled
> philosopher bumbling his way around computer science."
>
>
> --
>
> not advertising myself as a very intelligent and polite (especially not
> the latter) person, i'd like to suggest that you perform some reflexive
> thinking before you, again, pour a bucket of waste on other members'
> heads, some of whom do appear much more intelligent and polite than you.
>
>
> vQ
> 
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