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Re: [ontolog-forum] Ontology vs OWL implementation

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From: "Azamat" <abdoul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 22:41:12 +0300
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On Thursday, May 01, 2008 9:26 PM, Pat Hayes wrote:
 OK, I stopped reading at this point. Sorry, but I'm just not
> interested in what Aquinas and Aristotle had to say. They weren't
> doing ontology engineering, they knew nothing whatever about
> 'ontology' in the sense used in this forum, and they knew nothing
> about modern logic. So their views are about as relevant to this
> discussion as those of Johan Sebastian Bach.  And in any case, their
> ideas on just about anything that matters were (though of great
> historical importance) profoundly wrong.    (01)

Simply a comment. Frankly, can't believe this ultimate absurdity and 
nonsense belongs to some intelligent person. Although, everybody now may see 
the reason why AI KR ''experts'' so badly failed. Mere rhetoric and hot air, 
without a substantial knowledge of reality, hardly will make any real 
progress in new science or technology.    (02)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pat Hayes" <phayes@xxxxxxx>
To: "Barker, Sean (UK)" <Sean.Barker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "[ontolog-forum] " <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Ontology vs OWL implementation    (03)


> At 9:56 AM +0100 5/1/08, Barker, Sean (UK) wrote:
>>This mail is publicly posted to a distribution list as part of a
>>process of public discussion, any automatically generated statements
>>to the contrary non-withstanding. It is the opinion of the author,
>>and does not represent an official company view.
>>
>>
>>So, ontology is just data modelling with AI gubbins? So why bother?
>>
>>If I might put a different argument, based on Aristotle (or, more
>>exactly, based on my understanding of a modern understanding of
>>Thomas Aquinas on Aristotle).
>
> OK, I stopped reading at this point. Sorry, but I'm just not
> interested in what Aquinas and Aristotle had to say. They weren't
> doing ontology engineering, they knew nothing whatever about
> 'ontology' in the sense used in this forum, and they knew nothing
> about modern logic. So their views are about as relevant to this
> discussion as those of Johan Sebastian Bach.  And in any case, their
> ideas on just about anything that matters were (though of great
> historical importance) profoundly wrong.
>
> Pat
>
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