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Re: [ontolog-forum] Ontology vs OWL implementation

To: "[ontolog-forum] " <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Pat Hayes" <phayes@xxxxxxx>
From: "Barker, Sean (UK)" <Sean.Barker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 09:27:45 +0100
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Pat,
        disappointed (and relieved), as I thought you might disabuse me
of the view that data modelling and ontology engineering are different,
not merely on matters of representation, but on matters of methodology
(which was what the note was about).    (01)


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> >So, ontology is just data modelling with AI gubbins? So why bother?
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> >If I might put a different argument, based on Aristotle (or, more 
> >exactly, based on my understanding of a modern understanding 
> of Thomas 
> >Aquinas on Aristotle).
> 
> OK, I stopped reading at this point. Sorry, but I'm just not 
> interested in what Aquinas and Aristotle had to say. They 
> weren't doing ontology engineering, they knew nothing 
> whatever about 'ontology' in the sense used in this forum, 
> and they knew nothing about modern logic. So their views are 
> about as relevant to this discussion as those of Johan 
> Sebastian Bach.  And in any case, their ideas on just about 
> anything that matters were (though of great historical 
> importance) profoundly wrong.
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> Pat
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