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Re: [ontolog-forum] Ontology vs OWL implementation

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From: Ron Wheeler <rwheeler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 11:44:12 -0400
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Azamat wrote:
> On Thursday, May 01, 2008 9:26 PM, Pat Hayes wrote:
>  OK, I stopped reading at this point. Sorry, but I'm just not
>   
>> interested in what Aquinas and Aristotle had to say. They weren't
>> doing ontology engineering, they knew nothing whatever about
>> 'ontology' in the sense used in this forum, and they knew nothing
>> about modern logic. So their views are about as relevant to this
>> discussion as those of Johan Sebastian Bach.  And in any case, their
>> ideas on just about anything that matters were (though of great
>> historical importance) profoundly wrong.
>>     
>
> Simply a comment. Frankly, can't believe this ultimate absurdity and 
> nonsense belongs to some intelligent person. Although, everybody now may see 
> the reason why AI KR ''experts'' so badly failed. Mere rhetoric and hot air, 
> without a substantial knowledge of reality, hardly will make any real 
> progress in new science or technology.
>
>   
Reminds me of when my daughter in her early teens asked me if I knew 
what "69" was, in a tone that suggested that I couldn't possibly have 
heard of it.    (01)

Moral of the story.
Just because you didn't know what "ontology" was last year does not mean 
that no one knew.    (02)

I will bet that Aristotle even had a Greek word for it when he tried to 
explain to his wife what he was doing instead of a real job, like the 
wool merchant next door.  :-)    (03)

Ron    (04)

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Pat Hayes" <phayes@xxxxxxx>
> To: "Barker, Sean (UK)" <Sean.Barker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: "[ontolog-forum] " <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 9:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Ontology vs OWL implementation
>
>
>   
>> At 9:56 AM +0100 5/1/08, Barker, Sean (UK) wrote:
>>     
>>> This mail is publicly posted to a distribution list as part of a
>>> process of public discussion, any automatically generated statements
>>> to the contrary non-withstanding. It is the opinion of the author,
>>> and does not represent an official company view.
>>>
>>>
>>> So, ontology is just data modelling with AI gubbins? So why bother?
>>>
>>> If I might put a different argument, based on Aristotle (or, more
>>> exactly, based on my understanding of a modern understanding of
>>> Thomas Aquinas on Aristotle).
>>>       
>> OK, I stopped reading at this point. Sorry, but I'm just not
>> interested in what Aquinas and Aristotle had to say. They weren't
>> doing ontology engineering, they knew nothing whatever about
>> 'ontology' in the sense used in this forum, and they knew nothing
>> about modern logic. So their views are about as relevant to this
>> discussion as those of Johan Sebastian Bach.  And in any case, their
>> ideas on just about anything that matters were (though of great
>> historical importance) profoundly wrong.
>>
>> Pat
>>
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